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Two Professors Argue Democracy is Ill-Served by Free Speech on Campus (“Free-Speech Rhetoric…concedes too much to right-wing agendas… When free speech drowns out expert speech, we all suffer.”)
Hot Air ^ | November 20, 2023 | John Sexton

Posted on 11/25/2023 7:45:08 AM PST by DoodleBob

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To: DoodleBob

I would agree 100% with the “expert” academics, THEIR opinions are not “equally valid”.


41 posted on 11/25/2023 10:12:05 AM PST by Wuli ( ,)
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To: redangus; TalBlack; metmom; Salman; DeplorablePaul; Ford4000; FlingWingFlyer; BitWielder1; Wuli
As a follow up, to reinforce the chasm between the academy and normal people, here is a post on social sciences, that featured this brilliant give and take in the Comments section of an article on Charles Murray: the instigator is a Harvard faculty member, and the take-down is from some unknown champion of freedom and intellect - this is with regard to EXPERTS and the "certainty of SCIENCE":

"so why should we let someone teach social science that we know to be wrong in our social science courses?"

Because it is possible that you are wrong.
Science is not mathematics. Newtonian physics was wrong. And social science is a further three rungs down in certainty from science.

Your level of certainty and arrogance about what can be said, and probably thought, smacks of religion, and not science. This is a political religion that permeates academia at the moment. And which I am fairly sure you will swear does not infect you, while the rest of us can see the symptoms quite plainly.

Only religions ban heretics from speaking because of the wrong-think they might cause. Real science loves a good heretic. In fact, honestly, the entire goal of science is to be a heretic. To have an idea that no other person ever had. Science is the pretty much the antithesis of your thought-police approach.

And most of academia used to be the antithesis of your thought police approach as well, until the religion of leftism took it over, with the direct help of people like you.

42 posted on 11/25/2023 10:13:34 AM PST by DoodleBob (Gravity's waiting period is about 9.8 m/s²)
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To: Eva

‘Idiocy on display at Arizona State.’

they’re probably doing the playcalling for ASU’s pathetic football team...


43 posted on 11/25/2023 10:41:42 AM PST by IrishBrigade
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To: DoodleBob

Always, always remember, any time a democrat, a leftist a radical says “democracy” what they really mean is Democrat Party. So when they say it hurts democracy or it means the death of democracy they are really saying it hurts the the Democrat Party or it means the death of the Democrat Party.


44 posted on 11/25/2023 10:42:28 AM PST by falcon99 ( )
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To: DoodleBob
Pretty laughable, really. What we have here is a pair of soft-studies professors who have reimagined the very mission of university education and lo and behold! It looks just like a Nazi curriculum did! We have two new chimerical terms to unpack: "expert speech" and "expert knowledge", which appear to be undefinable except in terms of expertise equating to the membership in the professoriate. Nice work if you can get it.

There are, to be sure, politicians who feel that possession of political office entitles them to the same status, as do journalists, actors, and popular musicians with respect to the participation in their respective fields. We are awash in "experts"! What a time to live in!

45 posted on 11/25/2023 10:44:38 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Bon of Babble

‘The First Amendment was written specifically against such tyrants who wish to curtail speech.’

the First amendment was written specifically against federal gov’t curtailment of speech...


46 posted on 11/25/2023 10:50:16 AM PST by IrishBrigade
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To: DoodleBob
When free speech drowns out expert speech, we all suffer

The arrogance of these people is unreal. I would bet that the imbecile who said this, has an extremely punchable face.

47 posted on 11/25/2023 11:58:05 AM PST by Sicon ("All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." - G. Orwell>)
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To: DoodleBob

42?

I remember that number.

“So long, and thanks for all the fish.”


48 posted on 11/25/2023 1:28:35 PM PST by dadgum (Enough!)
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To: DoodleBob

The two biggest problems in the education establishment are tenure and an almost total lack of real world experience. The vast majority of the administrators, faculty, etc. have spent almost their entire lives in academia and that leaves them with a stunted and warped view of the world. As far as tenure goes, it’s the worst thing to ever happen to education. No one should ever be guaranteed a job, but they should be fairly paid for superior performance. Unions and tenure insure mediocrity at best.


49 posted on 11/25/2023 1:54:28 PM PST by Rlsau1
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To: DoodleBob
A diversity of opinion — “intellectual diversity” — isn’t itself the goal; rather, it is of value only insofar as it serves the goal of producing knowledge.
If the goal is knowledge, then "intellectual diversity" is its necessary element, as knowledge -- truth -- belongs to God alone. Man can only approach it by redirecting errors. So when errors are disallowed, truth is further distanced.
50 posted on 11/25/2023 3:42:50 PM PST by nicollo ("This is FR!")
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To: DoodleBob

Maybe they should shut up.


51 posted on 11/25/2023 3:43:48 PM PST by Fledermaus (It's time to get rid of the Three McStooges; Mitch, Kevin and Ronna! 1 gone, 1 almost dead. )
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To: TalBlack
I DEFY The Bee to beat that!

They probably will, tomorrow! But this particular psychosis was identified a long time ago:

"Some people think that free speech means they are free to say anything they like, but if anybody says anything back that's an outrage."-- Winston Churchill

52 posted on 11/25/2023 4:40:59 PM PST by Mr. Jeeves ([CTRL]-[GALT]-[DELETE])
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To: IrishBrigade

Same difference.


53 posted on 11/25/2023 5:24:48 PM PST by Bon of Babble (You Say You Want a Revolution?)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; Bockscar; BraveMan; cardinal4; ...

54 posted on 11/26/2023 10:07:55 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Get over yourselves, you over-educated nitwits.


55 posted on 11/26/2023 10:26:01 AM PST by Eleutheria5 (Every Goliath has his David. Child in need of a CGM system. https://gofund.me/6452dbf1. )
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To: DoodleBob
Our contention is that calls for greater freedom of speech on campuses, however well-intentioned, risk undermining colleges’ central purpose, namely, the production of expert knowledge and understanding

Expertise comes from repeated practical application in "the real world" outside of the ivory towers of academia. All these elites are doing is passing off opinionated knowledge as "expertise."

In a nutshell, these professors are saying that I'm not qualified to hold the opinions that I have.

-PJ

56 posted on 11/26/2023 10:34:37 AM PST by Political Junkie Too ( * LAAP = Left-wing Activist Agitprop Press (formerly known as the MSM))
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To: DoodleBob

Paywall defeated.

https://archive.is/peABL


57 posted on 12/06/2023 6:03:18 PM PST by HKMk23 (https://youtu.be/LTseTg48568)
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