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Two Professors Argue Democracy is Ill-Served by Free Speech on Campus (“Free-Speech Rhetoric…concedes too much to right-wing agendas… When free speech drowns out expert speech, we all suffer.”)
Hot Air ^ | November 20, 2023 | John Sexton

Posted on 11/25/2023 7:45:08 AM PST by DoodleBob

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To: DoodleBob

I think it’s time to start piss-testing all college “perfesers”.


21 posted on 11/25/2023 8:18:57 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (It wasn't "genocide" when Hamas did it. Hypocrites!!!)
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To: DoodleBob

Last summer’s Arizona heat seemed to boil these two “experts’” brains. That and all the cactii.


22 posted on 11/25/2023 8:22:00 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (It wasn't "genocide" when Hamas did it. Hypocrites!!!)
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To: DoodleBob

Academics lost any claim to be experts the moment that postmodernism was let in the door. The more foolish they look the more they resort to censorship and browbeating to reclaim the appearance of credibility.


23 posted on 11/25/2023 8:22:07 AM PST by Ford4000
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We urge administrators toward caution before uncritically endorsing calls for intellectual diversity...

Diversity sucks now? I've lost track. DOES ANYONE HAVE A SPARE PROGRAM I CAN BORROW?

24 posted on 11/25/2023 8:22:39 AM PST by Libloather (Why do climate change hoax deniers live in mansions on the beach?)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
the left used free speech to squeeze into the door and now that they are in and are trying to push conservatives out and close it.

Good analogy.

25 posted on 11/25/2023 8:23:01 AM PST by libertylover (Our biggest problem, by far, is that almost all of big media is AGENDA-DRIVEN, not-truth driven.)
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To: DoodleBob

The propaganda has become so outlandish and absurd they have to blot every criticism lest it be exposed.


26 posted on 11/25/2023 8:24:52 AM PST by Spok (It takes a lot of learning to understand how little we know. (Paraphrasing Thomas Sowell.))
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In 1963 the Left loved free speech. After Hillary lost her election bid she said, “Resistance is the highest form of patriotism.” When the Left’s arguments lose, free speech has to go away. But the totalitarians are the ones who will have to go away and it’s not going to be pretty because they will get violent.


27 posted on 11/25/2023 8:39:15 AM PST by SaxxonWoods (Successful People Have a Sense of Gratitude. Unsuccessful People Have a Sense of Entitlement)
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To: DoodleBob

Translation - “We” (Left wing professors) decide what is “expert” speech.


28 posted on 11/25/2023 8:45:56 AM PST by Wuli ( ,)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Yes, fascists make great use of democratic institutions (free speech) to get control. Once in control, no such democratic institutions are tolerated. They are far left wackos when they’re sniffing at power, then they go far right once they get it. Projecting their crimes on the opposition as they go along. In the end no opposition is allowed, no changes are allowed. Stagnation, poverty for masses. Wealth, privilege and luxury for the few.


29 posted on 11/25/2023 8:47:27 AM PST by virgil (The evil that men do lives after them )
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So free speech from the Left, defying experts, is democracy but free speech from the Right is a threat to democracy.
No bias there.

When the Right speaks, the Left is still free to speak. How come they don't notice that?

30 posted on 11/25/2023 8:47:58 AM PST by BitWielder1 (I'd rather have Unequal Wealth than Equal Poverty)
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To: DoodleBob

This is nothing short of horrifying.


31 posted on 11/25/2023 8:54:23 AM PST by simpson96
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“ This is nothing short of horrifying.”

This is the truth of it…because this philosophy, when it is supporting the dominant/elitist culture in a nation, only ends in extreme violence, genocide and complete subjugation of the dis-favored population.


32 posted on 11/25/2023 9:05:19 AM PST by Scott from the Left Coast (“We should not assume civilization is robust”)
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As one would expect, these two rabid Leftists; Richard Amesbury and Catherine O’Donnell, are carpetbaggers setting up shop at a state university in Arizona.


33 posted on 11/25/2023 9:10:36 AM PST by T.B. Yoits
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What I see in the next generation is a rebellion brewing against he purveyors of Marxist cant.

My very young grands view the current schlock babble with disdain.

I have been waiting for the youth to rebel against their elders. It is happening. The young will always challenge the current power.


34 posted on 11/25/2023 9:11:39 AM PST by OpusatFR
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IF I had any kids that I paid serious $$$$ to get into college, I would be looking for these 2 & others to make them VERY UNCOMFORTABLE.


35 posted on 11/25/2023 9:20:34 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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The authors think highly of themselves. How many times did they use the word expert?


36 posted on 11/25/2023 9:37:33 AM PST by redangus ( )
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Same argument was used when the leftards were trying to get the gov’mt to finance left-wing radio.
Non commie trash radio is doing fine, AM and FM. Start spewing lies and your site goes under.


37 posted on 11/25/2023 9:54:02 AM PST by bobbo666 (Baizuo, )
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To: T.B. Yoits

Wonder how these idiots would respond if a group of poor whites were show up in one of their classes and shout them down?

How quickly would they screech for the police if such were to happen?


38 posted on 11/25/2023 9:55:30 AM PST by Ban Draoi Marbh Draoi ( Gen. 12:3: a warning to all antisemites)
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To: redangus; TalBlack; metmom; Salman; DeplorablePaul; Ford4000; FlingWingFlyer; BitWielder1; Wuli
The authors think highly of themselves. How many times did they use the word expert?

Per the find function, 42 times. Here are few example…

Our contention is that calls for greater freedom of speech on campuses, however well-intentioned, risk undermining colleges’ central purpose, namely, the production of expert knowledge and understanding, in the sense of disciplinarily warranted opinion. Expertise requires freedom of speech, but it is the result of a process of winnowing and refinement that is premised on the understanding that not all opinions are equally valid. Efforts to “democratize” opinion are antithetical to the role colleges play in educating the public and informing democratic debate. We urge administrators toward caution before uncritically endorsing calls for intellectual diversity in place of academic expertise.

We academics tend to want to understand ourselves as egalitarians, and it can feel awkward — undemocratic, even — to claim authority based on expertise. Facing increasing skepticism from the public, we are loath to seem elitist. But we’re not claiming a universal expertise, just a limited scholarly expertise, and it’s for the public to judge how much that kind of expertise matters. For our part, we either stake our claim to the expertise our training and experience provide us, or we stake no claim at all. Nor is it elitist to insist that scholars are best suited to judging whether curricula should be adopted, or speakers sponsored as part of academic programming.

Left to its own devices, a marketplace of ideas is under no necessity to converge on the truth. Taken alone, that account of the First Amendment’s understanding of free speech is in tension with expert knowledge, the acquisition of which requires discrimination. The creation of knowledge through academic disciplines would be undermined by a jurisprudence that insisted on content neutrality in this context. The question for Post is, thus, how the conditions required for expert knowledge might be reconciled with the comparatively permissive standards of the public sphere. When free speech drowns out expert speech, we all suffer.

embattled academics cannot simply fall back on academic freedom. That concept is, to be sure, indispensable, but, as Durkheim observed, it has to be undergirded by public trust in academics, or, more broadly, by disciplines whose status as disciplines isn’t itself a matter of public dispute. Otherwise we end up where we find ourselves now: with a lack of public support not simply for the claims of certain scholars, but for the value of the disciplines and departments of which they are part — the very disciplines within which these claims might be knowledgeably assessed. Or a sense, at any rate, that these are just further opinions — a dissolving of expertise into a flattened-out theory of knowledge. “Free speech” is what we are left with when we recognize no experts.

39 posted on 11/25/2023 10:05:23 AM PST by DoodleBob (Gravity's waiting period is about 9.8 m/s²)
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Right...’experts’ have it all figured out


40 posted on 11/25/2023 10:07:29 AM PST by SMARTY ("A lie which is half a truth is ever the blackest of lies." Tennyson)
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