Posted on 11/19/2023 5:12:46 PM PST by ganeemead
Again, nonsense. Your answer is actually found in your comment itself: Missile DEFENSE (i.e., a defense AGAINST a missile attack) is the opposite of OFFENSIVE nuclear missiles, which is what the USSR was installing in Cuba. Defending against a threat provides the chance for survival; while not defending against a threat is surrendering to one’s adversary the decision as to one’s survival.
You can try as much as you want to walk back your anti-Semitic comment; but your words are there, for all to see.
“Do unto others, as you would have others do to you. Would you except Russia piling its military assets around America? If not, shouldn’t we give the same courtesy?”
My God, but you are dim. We have military assets in Europe because the USSR did and Russia does pose an immediate threat to our allies in Europe.
Do you know why NATO was created? It was created in 1949 in RESPONSE to the 1948 Soviet blockade of Berlin, which by agreement was under shared occupation by the French, The British, the Americans, and the Soviets, all of whom had their designated sector.
The Soviets’ blockade of Berlin cut off the other three sectors from the outside world, and the Soviets said that the other countries no longer had any rights or freedoms anywhere in Berlin (hence, the Berlin airlift).
What did the West do? It created NATO to defend against well-established Russian duplicity and aggression. (I bet you don’t even know that at the beginning of WWII the Russians were ALLIES of Nazi Germany.)
Stop with your Pollyanna nonsense, and take some time off to visit a library and read some history books.
If you want to believe that the most evil belief system becomes a good system, because Jews that rejected the Torah adopted it, go ahead and believe that. According to your thinking, the 250 million murdered, the over a billion enslaved, the over 2 billion children aborted and the majority of major wars started were all good acts because some Jews became liberal. If you don’t vote Democrat in the next election than you are a liar. Your actions will back up whether you believe that evil systems become good systems because Jews have adopted it. You are also weaponizing good, just like the typical liberal does when he claims that you are racist because you don’t want to be socialist.
Yes, do unto others. means just that. If you don’t want China’s or Russia’s military hardware at your front door, don’t do that to them.
Yes, NATO was created as a response to counter the Soviet aggression. The Russians are no longer Soviets. Now, they are just nationalistic wanting to protect Russian ethnics. And you believe that Russians wanting to protect their own makes them Soviet again. For you, the 20th century never ended.
Again, you are referring to the Soviet Union. Russian intentions have changed over 30 years. They are no longer socialist. The typical Russian is probably more free in Russian than conservatives are in America.
NATO was stocked with German Nazi members. Did you know that?
“If you want to believe that the most evil belief system becomes a good system, because Jews that rejected the Torah adopted it, go ahead and believe that.”
Your animosity towards Jews is well established here on FR.
In any event, as per your comment as directed at me; I have said previously: You assume facts not in evidence, jump to conclusions, and rush to judgment. All telltale signs of someone who has no logical or supportable argument to put forth.
“According to your thinking, the 250 million murdered, the over a billion enslaved, the over 2 billion children aborted and the majority of major wars started were all good acts because some Jews became liberal.”
Again, with the Jews. Seriously, you are unhinged. And you introduce so many logical fallacies as to render your comments absurd and meaningless.
“If you don’t vote Democrat in the next election than you are a liar.”
Nice try, kid. I don’t vote Democrat. I’ve been a registered Republican since I first became eligible to vote (in my day that was at 21; I am now in my 70s).
“Yes, NATO was created as a response to counter the Soviet aggression.”
You admit it! Will wonders never cease?
“The Russians are no longer Soviets.”
The Russians are still Russians; and the USSR was created by and existed solely because of Russia and Russians; Moscow and Russia controlled the USSR, and nothing the USSR ever did or didn’t do was without Russian approval.
“Now, they are just nationalistic wanting to protect Russian ethnics.”
Ah, the old Sudetenland excuse, and the excuse to start WWII with the invasion of Poland in 1939 (which, in case you didn’t know, was a concerted invasion by Nazi Germany AND its ally, the USSR; and the USSR remained Germany’s ally up until Germany invaded the USSR on June 22, 1941).
Russia used the exact same excuse to invade its neighbor Geogia in 2008.
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
“Again, you are referring to the Soviet Union. Russian intentions have changed over 30 years. They are no longer socialist.”
Now they are fascists — specifically, embracing a national socialism (does that term ring a bell for you?) — which is just socialism with snappier uniforms (but in Russia’s case, they executed all the proficient tailors after WWII, and have been stuck with the bland and ill-fitting uniforms they have historically sported; but, they do love their medals, and Russian officers can still be seen bedecked with gaudy ribbons and over-sized medals the weight of which causes the afflicted wearer to walk lop-sidedly).
“The typical Russian is probably more free in Russian than conservatives are in America.”
Nonsense. It is illegal in Russia to refer to the Russo-Ukrainian war as...a war
“NATO was stocked with German Nazi members. Did you know that?”
There were some; just as some were in the Warsaw Pact.
Jonty, you are what’s known as a low-information guy: for a Russian sympathizer, you are amazingly naïve about you Russian buddies,
The Russians have always been aggressors, since the Rus brothers first arrived and folks like Peter the Great turned Russia into a modern invasion force to be reckoned with (ask the Crimean Tatars). Since then, the Russians kept spreading out and subjugating for centuries.
Don’t try to kid people who’ve actually worked with the Russians. They are usually open, friendly, outgoing likeable people who will kill you now -and enjoy it - if they feel they should. Ask Major Nicholson, who was shot without warning by a Russian guard and then allowed to bleed to death because the same Russians prevented any medical assistance - or shot down a fully occupied Korean airliner without warning when they made a navigation error.
They were diehard subverting, spying communists when they felt like it and they’re subverting, spying Russians who openly invade their neighbors, firing missiles at occupied civilian markets and buildings and shoot unarmed civilians because - they’re Russians.
So quit trying- you’re an allegedly Albertan antisemite, Russophile, hate merchant and as annoying as hell.
My animosity is towards who is liberal. I don’t care about anything else about the person. You’re playing the same card that liberals play, when they accuse their opponents of racism because they can’t win an arguement. Calling me anti-semitism a million times does not make it so.
No. What is well established is my anti-liberalism and that I believe liberalism makes people evil, regardless of anything else. Jews are not totems that contain the power of God by virtue of being Jewish. They have to follow the Torah or their acts will be evil acts.
The 250 million people is the estimated number of those who were killed during the 2oth century by the progressives.
This number includes the dead from the wars they started to impose progressivism worldwide.
The over billion enslaved are the approximate numbers that had to live in socialist nations, like Russia and China and North Vietnam. If you lived in these countries, you were a slave to the government.
Most of the 20th century wars were started by the socialists, to impose socialistm.
Do I need to tell you why I hold liberals responsible for the abortions that have taken place since the 20th century?
Again, I only say liberal Jews, because I mean Jews who walked aware from their relationship with God by rejecting the Torah. They adopted socialism as a substitution instead. They also hate Israel as much as anybody on the left hates Israel.
You’re the one equating my viewpoint with all Jews, when I have made it clear that it is only Jews, and everybody, who has adopted liberalism for their politics. You can’t be a liberal without supporting evil. Find a liberal and you’ll find an evil person. It’s that simple and that easy.
You may not vote Democrat, but I bet you want to.
I admit that NATO was started to counter the Soviet Union. It was to counter Russia itself. Those who maintain that Russia is still an enemy are just trying to keep their jobs.
It was also started because the Western leaders decided to use fascism to counter the Soviet Union. Yes, the West has become more fascist over time, including calling people anti-semitic to try and shut them up.
See, you would be fine with genociding the Russians, just because they are Russians. What do you call somebody who wants a people wiped out because of unchangeable qualities about themselves?
No. Russians are nationalists and centro-ethnicists. We are the fascists. The West adopted fascism because we didn’t think classical liberalism could hold up against the Soviet Union. Eisenhower talked about this in his final speech. He was making it clear that fascism infiltrated the West and took over our institutions. His speech was not just about the military-complex. He made it clear that any combination of government and privated enterprise resulted in fascism.
The average Russian is more free in Russia than we are in America. They don’t shut people down with unconventional views by calling them racists and anti-semetics and try to get them cancelled
This ain’t the 1970’s anymore and Russia is no longer that enemy that the left wants them to be. They have legitimate concerns and listening to those concerns might have avoided a war.
We are also the ones that backed the fascists in Ukraine.
Nice try, kid. Your own words sink you.
I don’t care what you think.
You’re the one purposely misconstruing my words to your own ends.
Nice try, kid.
Don’t care. I will call out evil when I see, regardless of the parties involved. The reason why liberalism is winning, is because they have managed to tie disagreeing with them with goodness and people like you fell for it.
You’re an aider and an abettor to evil.
Give it up, kid; you’ve been exposed.
And you’ve become boring.
Truth is boring and I will stick with being boring.
The truth that has been exposed about me is that I am against liberalism, considering it one of the evils of the last days.
But I do like your admission that you think you are at war with the Russians and they should be wiped out.
“Defending against a threat provides the chance for survival; while not defending against a threat is surrendering to one’s adversary the decision as to one’s survival.”
That contradicts what you said earlier about M.A.D.
But I guess you are so convinced that you are right that there’s little point in taking this further.
“But I do like your admission that you think you are at war with the Russians and they should be wiped out.”
Again you lie; such a typical reaction of someone who has no supportable argument to make.
Grow up, kid.
“That contradicts what you said earlier about M.A.D.”
Nice try, kid. MAD is the very essence of defending against a threat.
“But I guess you are so convinced that you are right that there’s little point in taking this further.”
You can’t logically rebut my comment so you do what losers usually do: You wax indignant and run away.
That is your position. To you, it is still the 1970’s and Russia is still at war with the West. The only reason why Russia is at war now is because we provoked it by putting military assets too close to its border.
Liberalism is still the most evil believe system on the face of the earth.
Russians have killed Ukrainians. Full stop.
Russians also lost half their army and 85% of its effective and elite units.
Russians military credibility is totally gone. They couldn’t do anything to Europ proper, nor even sniff the Fulda Gap...lol.
“The only reason why Russia is at war now is because we provoked it by putting military assets too close to its border.”
We have had military assets close to Russia and vice versa since the 19th century (mainland Russia and mainland Alaska are only 55 miles apart, and the two islands in between — one of which is Russian, and the other American — are only 2.5 miles apart). During the Cold War we had military assets in Berlin just feet away from Soviet military assets. We had military assets throughout Europe as did the Soviets.
Funny, isn’t it, that we didn’t go to war with Russia. But, where we DIDN’T have military assets the Soviets DID go to war (such as in Afghanistan when the Soviets invaded in 1979, and stayed for a decade).
“Liberalism is still the most evil believe system on the face of the earth.”
You conflate liberalism with leftism, in which case your statement is blatantly false. Indeed, it is LEFTISM — which was aided and abetted and encouraged and funded by the Russians — that introduced the greatest evil upon the world (communism).
Yes, there are liberals who are very much leftists; then again, there are many who are not. JFK was a liberal; but he was also a very staunch anti-communist (i.e., he was NOT a leftist). Leftists are all about destroying the established order and replacing it with an authoritarian world that THEY control. Classic liberals strongly oppose that. Do you know that many of America’s founding fathers were classic liberals? They started and fought a revolution to rid themselves of an authoritarian monarchy.
You lump sum too readily, and condemn too swiftly, and jump to conclusions too facilely to have any credibility.
You are the poster child for an ignorant blowhard; and you will remain so until you step back and learn something about the world.
The military of 100 years ago doesn’t compare with today. Respect Russia, as you would want to be respected. If having military assets in Cuba was unacceptable, then so is having military assets near Russia.
Liberals and socialism are no difference. There is not a single liberal who doesn’t believe in socialism. The world has changed. Conservatives and libertarians are the classic liberals. The modern liberal wants socialism and would kill to have it.
JFK was the last good Democrat in America. No Democrats or liberals left that I could call good.
I lump some when appropro. Lumping Democrats, socialist, and and liberals as one is appropro.
It’s you who has to come to terms as to who liberals are these days.
“The military of 100 years ago doesn’t compare with today.”
Well, duh. Which makes your comment all the more meaningless.
“Respect Russia, as you would want to be respected.”
I respect those who deserve it.
“If having military assets in Cuba was unacceptable, then so is having military assets near Russia.”
We had no issue with the Soviets having general assets in Cuba; we had an issue with the Soviets installing OFFENSIVE nuclear missiles in Cuba with the range to strike some 90% of the continental US. In any event, EVERY country which borders another country has military assets of some kind near that other country. So, again, your comment is meaningless.
“I lump some when appropro. Lumping Democrats, socialist, and and liberals as one is appropro.”
Which says a lot about you. While you may not like those respective mindsets and ideologies, they are not in and of themselves the same. I have no problem with TRUE liberals (i.e., classic liberals), as it was classic liberalism that influenced and motivated many of our founding fathers. Hell, our constitution (not yours, as you are not an American) was based on classic liberalism.
“It’s you who has to come to terms as to who liberals are these days.”
Again, you confuse liberalism with leftism and broad-brush both. I have utter contempt for socialism; and I despise leftists. But you have fallen for the typical leftist tactic of co-opting the language; which means you are playing THEIR game, by THEIR rules. You have already surrendered to them.
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