Posted on 11/19/2023 5:12:46 PM PST by ganeemead
Average age of ukie soldiers is now around 43
Ukie army apparently is now a sort of an old folks home...
Some might say you are too simple minded to understand the word “provocation.”
Some might - but I was one of those who fought and bled for his country: what have you done?
Hitler was a socialist. Liberals are socialists. The mistake you are making is assuming that the American liberal cannot be led down the garden like the German liberal could.
That’s the trouble in America. Conservatives like yourself believe that your fellow liberals can be reasoned with. They cannot be reasoned with. It’s your willingness to give them rope that will allow them to hang with it.
Hitler was a socialist. Mao was a socialist. Stalin was a socialist. Pol Pot was a Socialist. Every one of them accepted the teachings of the Austrian school of economics. So does the American liberal accept the teachings of the Austrian school of economics.
I haven’t spouted any antisemitism. My issue with liberal Jews is that they are socialists. They follow Satanism, even if they don’t realize it. Socialism is the most murderous and evil philosophy in the history of mankind and liberals follow it near to their heart. It’s not because they’re Jewish. It’s because they are liberals, first and foremost and only.
Every liberal that you know is either ignorant of the 20th century or they are in agreement with the actions of liberals in the 20th century. You are giving goodwill to evil people. They will use that against you.
You want to know how the socialists murdered 250 million people? Liberals were in agreement to murder them and people like you gave them the goodwill to carry out their deeds. That makes you their ally.
I just tell the truth. The conservatives of the world in the in the 20th century enabled liberals to carry out their evil, just like you do.
Just like Hitler defended ethnic Germans?
But real, actual Liberals are still there and can be reason with - I spend part of each day discussing the issues with three of my six sisters - liberals - and my liberal neighbors and occasionally, newly-met strangers. We differ on abortion, gun control, BLM, DEI, and homosexuality and of course, President Trump but they are all open to reasoning once you get past the first emotional crust.
We are for the most part, all Americans and we all want freedom - except for the previously-mentioned Communists.
Some of you thirst for a shooting war - but only our enemies would win any new Civil War in our own country.
I would bet that none of our fellow Freepers who are using "moral absolutes" and pushing for that war ever experienced the real thing - or they'd know better.
You mean the industrial areas, the richest farmland and the ports are where Ukraine’s most productive GDP was?
Who knew?!
Play that game with the USA. Most of the conservative heartlands would be below San Francisco.
“Did you expect Russia to do nothing as the West did incursions into Russian territories?”
Utter BS
putin is evil. he thought he could get away with stealing Ukraine. He miscalculated.
This whole war is on putin! putin invaded a sovereign country
This. Every word of this:
“Are you mad?
Let me educate you on one fact :
To everyones knowledge RUSSIA is the country that has invaded Ukraine. Right?
Ukraine has not invaded anyone, and the Ukrainian people are resisting against blatant Russian warcrimes and invasion as much as they can - to protect their homes and families from those trespassing, border-raping Kremlinisist.
According to you, Ukriane is the villain because they don’t want to let Russia invade their territory?
You probably need some help.”
“most Ukrainians do not want this war....”
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Well evidently, lol !
Why would ANY Ukrainian want Russia to invade their country via Kremlin organized war operations?? They are not masochists.
However,
Three in five (60%) Ukrainians interviewed in July and August said they want Ukraine to keep fighting until it wins, twice as many as those who want Ukraine to negotiate to end the war as soon as possible (31%)
Oh - your math is illiterate.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/296140/ukraine-gross-domestic-product/
See where those big plummets were? What do they have in common?
They all coincide with Russia screwing around with eastern Europe, Ukraine and Georgia in particular.
The Gross regional product of Donbas in 2013 before Russia screwed around with it was ₴220bn (€20bn) out of a GDP close to €180bn. So it was about 11% of the GDP of Ukraine.
In 2021, Ukraine’s entire gross domestic product (GDP) not including the occupied areas was estimated at about $197bn, which is €182.80bn. By the end of 2021 according to Russia the GRP of Donbas was ₴335 billion (10 billion Euros in 2021 out of €197bn.
10/197 is quite a lot lower than 20/180. Get a calculator. dingus.
So actually your math is incoherent. The Russian annexations have actually tanked the economies of the regions it’s annexed, while the rest of Ukraine that hasn’t been turned into a turd sandwich by Russia is holding its own.
And every time Russia’s done this, it’s done sent an upward GDP trajectory into a ski slope.
Economics 101: if you want a country to be vaguely capable of surviving on its own, don’t let Muscovy anywhere near it.
“Directly, no. NATO money has prolonged the war and thus the killing 100% though.”
It is NOT your decision to make. It is Ukraine’s decision.
As long as Ukraine wants to fight for their freedom and self-determination, they will receive weapons and other help.
If Ukrainians are willing to die for their freedom the least we can do is help arm them, imo.
This is fact:
“The claim that Ukraine and their Western allies are somehow trying to kill off the Ukrainians is ridiculous. The only people claiming they want to exterminate Ukrainians are Russians”
“Russia is responsible for their own actions”
Truth!
putin is responsible for his own choices!
What utter BS
Just a number I’d seen somewhere a year or so ago. I’d assumed it was real, that might be wrong, I’ll try to check on it...
The theft of the term liberal has been so successful that the American public equates boots on neck socialism to be liberal. Anybody still trying to fight to retain the definition of liberalism, as it used to mean, is fighting a losing cause and they are feeding the progressive liberals and making them stronger. In short, those fighting to retain the definition of liberalism is enabling the growth of progressivism and it will result in the US becoming a slave nation, just like every other socialist nation you can think of which includes my own.
I’m not pushing for war, but I do recognize that talking to Putin and possibly allowing him to retain some territory where there is Russian ethnics would have been the solution that prevented the elimination of the Ukranian people.
Talking to Putin and allowing him to take a bit of territory, out of his concern for the treatment of the Russian ethnics in those countries would have prevented a war.
Real liberals still exist - except, likely they calling themselves “independents”.
They are easy enough to find- and they are worth convincing.
The Progressive/Communists/Socialists are actually a minority- but they hold key positions in academia, the media, and among some politicians and business leaders. The main bunch that we see on the streets are nitwits and violent opportunists who latched onto the slogans and don’t actually know what they mean.
Putin or whomever succeeds him will see any compromise as weakness and any concessions for “peace” will just be the slight pause for the next round. Remember how those “majority Russian” provinces came to be settled in the 1930s: by starving the Ukrainians who had lived there for centuries and the Stalin move his Russians in.
Still a sore point among that folks in that region.
Oh sure, but the classical liberal is now called libertarian. You are fighting a losing battle when you try to keep its book meaning. The liberals that want a slave nation, so they have people working for free and handing over their earned resources to the liberals unearned will argue the Founding Fathers are liberals, therefore they are the same as the Founding Fathers and they mean it. They really do believe that what they believe is what the Founding Fathers believed and that the slave nation they want is what the Founding Fathers fought for.
You’re not going to be able to reverse this dynamic. To try is to tip over windmills and you will lose. Once a nation figures how to pay for present benefits from future earnings, it’s inevitable that nation will end and something else will replace it.
Now, there is no bargaining with Putin. Now we have perpetual war because we weren’t going to allow any compromises for a real concern of the Russian people, their treatment in other countries. Had we allowed a concession, we might have avoided war or delayed it by stating out right that small territories given, for nationalistic reasons, would result in war if Putin went beyond what he said he wanted, which is to protect Russian ethnics in other countries.
Like Europe after WW1. So sad for the women.
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