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To: Chainmail

Oh sure, but the classical liberal is now called libertarian. You are fighting a losing battle when you try to keep its book meaning. The liberals that want a slave nation, so they have people working for free and handing over their earned resources to the liberals unearned will argue the Founding Fathers are liberals, therefore they are the same as the Founding Fathers and they mean it. They really do believe that what they believe is what the Founding Fathers believed and that the slave nation they want is what the Founding Fathers fought for.

You’re not going to be able to reverse this dynamic. To try is to tip over windmills and you will lose. Once a nation figures how to pay for present benefits from future earnings, it’s inevitable that nation will end and something else will replace it.

Now, there is no bargaining with Putin. Now we have perpetual war because we weren’t going to allow any compromises for a real concern of the Russian people, their treatment in other countries. Had we allowed a concession, we might have avoided war or delayed it by stating out right that small territories given, for nationalistic reasons, would result in war if Putin went beyond what he said he wanted, which is to protect Russian ethnics in other countries.


139 posted on 11/20/2023 12:07:52 PM PST by Jonty30 (It turns out that I did not buy my cell phone for all the calls I might be missing at home.)
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To: Jonty30
Every one of those "Russian entities" are squatters, placed there by the Soviets - Stalin. None of the areas where they have been placed have accepted them as a separate Russian province - not in Latvia nor Estonia nor Lithuania nor Poland nor any of the other former Soviet "Respubliki".

The Russians tried indirect intervention in the Eastern portions of the Ukraine by supplying weapons and training and the Russophiles conducted a vicious guerilla war. Then the Russians escalated by providing artillery and antiaircraft systems, including the BuK missile system that destroyed that Dutch airliner and killed everyone on board (and the obstructed the investigation and then hid the guilty once they had been charged).

Russia didn't just invade "their" Russian-populated provinces: they went for Kiev and to capture all of Ukraine.

Russia is an imperialist thug in the original meaning of the word and the Ukrainian people are giving the world an example for the world to emulate in fighting back.

You should learn to fight back too.

And no, liberals are not libertarians: libertarians are inactive layabouts who are only interested in legalized drugs.

144 posted on 11/20/2023 1:34:02 PM PST by Chainmail (How do I feel about ignorance and apathy? I don't know and I don't care.)
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