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PETER THIEL IS TAKING A BREAK FROM DEMOCRACY It’s one of his many, many disappointments.
The Atlantic ^ | 11/09/2023 | Barton Gellman

Posted on 11/09/2023 2:28:06 PM PST by thegagline

wasn’t clear at first why Peter Thiel agreed to talk to me.

He is, famously, no friend of the media. But Thiel—co-founder of PayPal and Palantir, avatar of techno-libertarianism, bogeyman of the left—consented to a series of long interviews at his home and office in Los Angeles. He was more open than I expected him to be, and he had a lot to say.

But the impetus for these conversations? He wanted me to publish a promise he was going to make, so that he would not be tempted to go back on his word. And what was that thing he needed to say, loudly? That he wouldn’t be giving money to any politician, including Donald Trump, in the next presidential campaign.

Already, he has endured the wrath of Trump. Thiel tried to duck Trump’s calls for a while, but in late April the former president managed to get him on the phone. Trump reminded Thiel that he had backed two of Thiel’s protégés, Blake Masters and J. D. Vance, in their Senate races last year. Thiel had given each of them more than $10 million; now Trump wanted Thiel to give the same to him.

When Thiel declined, Trump “told me that he was very sad, very sad to hear that,” Thiel recounted. “He had expected way more of me. And that’s how the call ended.”

Months later, word got back to Thiel that Trump had called Masters to discourage him from running for Senate again, and had called Thiel a “fucking scumbag.”

Thiel’s hope was that this article would “lock me into not giving any money to Republican politicians in 2024,” he said. “There’s always a chance I might change my mind. But by talking to you, it makes it hard for me to change my mind. My husband doesn’t want me to give them any more money, and he’s right. I know they’re going to be pestering me like crazy. And by talking to you, it’s going to lock me out of the cycle for 2024.”

This matters because of Thiel’s unique role in the American political ecosystem. He is the techiest of tech evangelists, the purest distillation of Silicon Valley’s reigning ethos. As such, he has become the embodiment of a strain of thinking that is pronounced—and growing—among tech founders.

And why does he want to cut off politicians? It’s not that they are mediocre as individuals, and therefore incapable of bringing about the kinds of civilization-defining changes a man like him would expect to see. His disappointment runs deeper than that. Their failure to make the world conform to his vision has soured him on the entire enterprise—to the point where he no longer thinks it matters very much who wins the next election.

Not for the first time, Peter Thiel has lost interest in democracy.

Thiel’s decision to endorse Trump at the Republican National Convention in 2016 surprised some of his closest friends. Thiel has cultivated an image as a man of ideas, an intellectual who studied philosophy with René Girard and owns first editions of Leo Strauss in English and German. Trump quite obviously did not share these interests, or Thiel’s libertarian principles.


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1 posted on 11/09/2023 2:28:06 PM PST by thegagline
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To: thegagline

government by kompromat....

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/18/business/jeffrey-epstein-peter-thiel.html

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/01/kompromat-trump-dossier/512891/

How Soviet...how progressive we’ve “grown”.....


2 posted on 11/09/2023 2:34:14 PM PST by mo ("If you understand, no explanation is needed; if you don't understand, no explanation is possible)
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To: thegagline

“...he no longer thinks it matters very much who wins the next election. “


Thiel is certainly right about that, if the idea is winning elections will change the policies and behaviors of the Federal bureaucracy, Swamp and Deep State.

What Trump winning can do is push the Regime into a self destructive spiral of legitimacy destruction, where their own corruption, incompetence and futility creates a feedback loop that they just collapse.


3 posted on 11/09/2023 2:34:25 PM PST by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: thegagline

Great time to crawl under the bed.


4 posted on 11/09/2023 2:40:32 PM PST by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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To: thegagline
My husband doesn’t want me to give them any more money, and he’s right.

Homosexuality is a mental illness.

5 posted on 11/09/2023 2:44:46 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (The worst thing about censorship is █████ ██ ████ ████████ █ ███████ ████. FJB.)
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To: JonPreston

He’ll be back once he gets divorced.


6 posted on 11/09/2023 2:45:41 PM PST by jean michael
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To: jean michael

Is he married?


7 posted on 11/09/2023 2:47:22 PM PST by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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To: thegagline

How about immersing yourself in a REPUBLIC which is what America is according to her constitutional law and structure.


8 posted on 11/09/2023 2:47:42 PM PST by Jim W N (MAGA by restoring the Gospel of the Grace of Christ (Jude 3) and our Free Constitutional Republic!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Oh, so he is playing the good wife and doing what his husband says. LOL


9 posted on 11/09/2023 2:53:08 PM PST by dforest
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To: thegagline
"Their failure to make the world conform to his vision has soured him on the entire enterprise—to the point where he no longer thinks it matters very much who wins the next election."

If so, then the Founding Fathers have been successful.

"Not for the first time, Peter Thiel has lost interest in democracy."

Perhaps Thiel needs to actually study what the Founding Fathers had to say about "democracy".

"Trump quite obviously did not share these interests, or Thiel’s libertarian principles."

I can guarantee that Trump shares those interests a lot better than the denizens of the Biden administration and/or his supporters.

10 posted on 11/09/2023 2:54:55 PM PST by Wonder Warthog (NRA Life Member)
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To: Wonder Warthog
I can guarantee that Trump shares those interests a lot better than the denizens of the Biden administration and/or his supporters.

This. The problem with all libertarians is their stubborn insistence on turning their backs on the good in their search for the perfect and their refusal to see that conservatism gets them a lot closer to what they hope for than the alternatives.
11 posted on 11/09/2023 3:06:18 PM PST by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: thegagline

Theil’s HUSBAND ???????????????/


12 posted on 11/09/2023 3:08:32 PM PST by ridesthemiles
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Thiel has made numerous large donations to Republicans and Republican causes
https://www.opensecrets.org/donor-lookup/results?cand=&cycle=&employ=&jurisdiction=&name=Peter+thiel&occupation=&order=desc&sort=D&state=&type=&zip=


13 posted on 11/09/2023 3:11:39 PM PST by thegagline (Sic semper tyrannis! Goldwater in 2024)
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To: thegagline

He’s my #1 prospect for the Anti-Christ. He checks all the boxes.


14 posted on 11/09/2023 3:18:25 PM PST by Salvavida
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To: JonPreston

Yes, to his proclaimed husband, as it says in the article.


15 posted on 11/09/2023 3:23:02 PM PST by Robert DeLong
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To: JonPreston
Here's that statement:

My husband doesn’t want me to give them any more money, and he’s right.

16 posted on 11/09/2023 3:24:35 PM PST by Robert DeLong
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To: ridesthemiles

“husband”

Yup—billionaires and perversions go together like a horse and carriage these days.


17 posted on 11/09/2023 3:28:49 PM PST by cgbg ("Creative minds have always been known to survive any kind of bad training." Anna Freud.)
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To: thegagline

Palantir isn’t exactly “friendly” as I would bet that A LOT of the stuff that Snowden talks about with regards to massive data collection, and processing, is developed by Palantir.


18 posted on 11/09/2023 3:41:31 PM PST by FrankRizzo890
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A LITTLE HELP NEEDED IF YOU CAN
19 posted on 11/09/2023 3:55:56 PM PST by deport
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To: null and void; aragorn; EnigmaticAnomaly; kalee; Kale; AZ .44 MAG; Baynative; bgill; bitt; ...

“My husband doesn’t want me to give them any more money, “


20 posted on 11/09/2023 4:20:57 PM PST by bitt (<img src=' 'width=30%>)
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