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Election Group Slapped With RICO Says It Can Prove Trump Won Georgia In 2020
Epoch Times ^ | 11/04/2023 | Samantha Flom

Posted on 11/04/2023 9:01:51 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

Former Black Voices for Trump leader Harrison Floyd’s legal team intends to prove his innocence of claims he unlawfully participated in an election subversion plot in Fulton County, Georgia, by showing that former President Donald Trump won the state’s 2020 presidential election.


Harrison Floyd, as seen in an undated mugshot, is the only one of the 19 Fulton County defendants to be held in jail without bond. (Fulton County Sheriff's Department)

Mr. Floyd was charged on Aug. 14 alongside the 45th president and 17 other co-defendants with violating Georgia’s Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO) Act, conspiracy to commit solicitation of false statements and writings, and influencing witnesses.

He was the only defendant to spend time in jail due to the indictment before he was released on bond on Aug. 30.

Your Honor, this case isn’t about whether you or I think that Donald Trump lost the election. It’s about what Mr. Floyd believed at the time,” noted Chris Kachouroff, one of Mr. Floyd’s defense attorneys, at a Nov. 3 hearing before Judge Scott McAfee.

“It’s also [about] what the false statements are alleged to have been, and indeed, are they really false,” he said.

Opening the Door

The judge ordered the hearing in response to motions to quash three sweeping subpoenas Mr. Floyd’s legal team served to the office of Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, the Fulton County Clerk of Courts, and the Fulton County Board of Elections.

Materials the attorneys requested included the ballot images and envelopes for all absentee ballots cast in the 2020 general election, all absentee ballot application forms, reports from the Dominion voting machines used, and all laptops and poll pads used by election workers, along with other documents, files, and drives.

Attorneys also requested all documents and recordings concerning the secretary of state’s post-election investigation into allegations of election fraud.

“The state chose to open this door,” Mr. Kachouroff said. “It is a broad and sweeping complaint. They opened the door wide open for us to walk in and ask for these things.”

The attorney noted that the 98-page indictment repeatedly asserts as fact that President Trump lost the 2020 election in Georgia, and the charges against Mr. Floyd are predicated on that claim. But if Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis is wrong and President Trump actually won the election, then Mr. Floyd cannot be guilty of soliciting “false statements and writings” that conveyed as much.

The indictment also maintains that Mr. Floyd and the other co-defendants were aware that President Trump lost the election and that their actions constituted an unlawful conspiracy to change the results in his favor.

That assertion, Mr. Kachouroff said, would also be undermined by proof that the former president won or even just proof that the election’s outcome is uncertain. And the subpoenaed materials, he argued, are likely to contain that proof.

“We could make that argument that he’s innocent no matter what happened,” he noted. “And, of course, we would. We’re defense attorneys; that’s what we do.

“But at the end of the day, those are the possible options down the road that could arise. Right now, we believe we’re at Option 1, that President Trump indeed won the election, and we can prove it—with respect to Fulton County.”

Pushback

Mr. Raffensperger’s office, represented by Attorney Jackson Sharmon III, has argued that the broad scope of materials requested by the defense would place an “undue burden” on an entity that is not even a party in the case.

Contesting the subpoena before the judge, Mr. Sharmon said the requested documents contain “little, if anything,” relevant to Mr. Floyd’s defense.

“If the purpose is state of mind, his intent, the documents we would produce—which he didn’t know about, he didn’t have—are not going to have any effect on the determination of his intent at the time he allegedly undertook the acts that are in the indictment.”

Mr. Sharmon also challenged the defense’s argument that proving President Trump won the election would necessarily erase the possibility that Mr. Floyd had criminal intent.

“With all due respect, I don’t think that’s the case,” he said. “That’s not the way intent, in a criminal case, is adjudicated.”

Meanwhile, attorneys for Fulton County said it could take months to produce the requested materials. And in terms of relevance, they pointed to Mr. Kachouroff’s admission that he could argue his client’s innocence even without the requested materials as evidence they weren’t needed.

But for Mr. Kachouroff, the state’s arguments didn’t negate his client’s right to those materials.

Harrison Floyd is looking at between eight and 33 years. That’s his liberty interest. Courts take liberty interest very seriously so that liberty interest overcomes any burden the state has to be set back by a month or two or three.”

By the end of the hearing, the three subpoenas were reduced to two as it was revealed that the Board of Elections did not possess any of the requested materials, which are held by the Clerk of Courts.

The judge, expressing concern over the potential disclosure of voters’ personally identifiable information, said more information was needed to determine what exactly was being requested, the extent of the state’s burden in producing it, and whether a protective order was needed.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Georgia
KEYWORDS: 2020; electionfraud2020; georgia; harrisonfloyd; maga2024; presdjtrump; trump; voterfraud
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1 posted on 11/04/2023 9:01:51 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

“We’re gonna cheat, and there ain’t nothing you can do about it.”


2 posted on 11/04/2023 9:03:46 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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3 posted on 11/04/2023 9:05:32 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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"We don't need no steenking documents!!"


4 posted on 11/04/2023 9:07:12 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: SeekAndFind

He won the whole election. The far-left turd rollers stole it.


5 posted on 11/04/2023 9:08:53 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer ('Build Back Better' is a Bidenskyyyyyyism for 'we gotta get rid of all dem white peoples'.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I remember watching a hearing with Fatti Willis explaining to a DNC stooge-judge for two hours why the public had no right to view public documents that the public paid for.


6 posted on 11/04/2023 9:09:30 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: SeekAndFind

The state will refuse to provide the items subpoenaed and either the charges will be dropped or the defendant will win on appeal.

CC


7 posted on 11/04/2023 9:13:02 PM PDT by Celtic Conservative (My cats are more amusing than 200 channels worth of TV.)
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To: Celtic Conservative

Does it really matter now?


8 posted on 11/04/2023 9:26:15 PM PDT by DIRTYSECRET
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To: DIRTYSECRET

Seriously? Why wouldn’t it? Finally a defense attorney with the gonads to say “Your honor, I reject the premise”.

If we could win a case like this, it would open quite a lot of eyes.


9 posted on 11/04/2023 9:33:14 PM PDT by moonhawk (Unleash the MAGAhideen!)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

If somebody stole your car three years ago and you finally locate it and see them driving around in it, should you just let them have it because “does it really matter now?”


10 posted on 11/04/2023 10:05:29 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (The worst thing about censorship is █████ ██ ████ ████████ █ ███████ ████. FJB.)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

“Does it really matter now?”

You’re welcome to your opinion, but it seems a little defeatist.

CC


11 posted on 11/04/2023 10:22:47 PM PDT by Celtic Conservative (My cats are more amusing than 200 channels worth of TV.)
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To: SeekAndFind; All

Harrison Floyd was the one who stayed in jail & was denied release without bond if I recall.


12 posted on 11/04/2023 10:49:45 PM PDT by newzjunkey (We need a better Trump than Trump in 2024)
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To: SeekAndFind

Bump for tomorrow’s read


13 posted on 11/04/2023 10:52:22 PM PDT by Michael.SF. (There is only one reason why I will ever vote for a Republican: Democrats)
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To: SeekAndFind

bttt


14 posted on 11/04/2023 10:54:23 PM PDT by Pajamajan (Pray for our nation. Never be slave in a new Socialist America.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

When I was in a navy, a guy walked past me wearing underwear with my name on it. I confronted him and he asked if I wanted them back. I told him they’re yours now.


15 posted on 11/04/2023 10:56:32 PM PDT by roving (👌⚓Deplorable Listless Vessel with Trumpitist who looks Trumpish)
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To: roving

So you are saying a stolen election has no more consequences than stolen underwater?

Those two brain cells of yours are serving you well.


16 posted on 11/04/2023 11:11:55 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (The worst thing about censorship is █████ ██ ████ ████████ █ ███████ ████. FJB.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Bump


17 posted on 11/05/2023 12:53:00 AM PDT by angelsonmyside
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To: SeekAndFind
“Harrison Floyd is looking at between eight and 33 years. That’s his liberty interest. Courts take liberty interest very seriously

Tell that to 100s of Jan 6th political prisoners

18 posted on 11/05/2023 1:45:49 AM PST by Pollard (The US government has US citizens as political prisoners!)
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To: newzjunkey

Correct.


19 posted on 11/05/2023 2:39:43 AM PST by vivenne (⁹)
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To: SeekAndFind

it could take months to produce the requested materials.

Why? Its all digital with the backup being physical and supposedly sequestered. So quit foot dragging and hand it over.


20 posted on 11/05/2023 2:58:11 AM PST by Adder (End fascism...defeat all Democrats.)
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