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Israeli soldiers could end up fighting through an 'underground nightmare' in an invasion of Gaza, home to Hamas' infamous 'metro' of tunnels
Insider ^ | October 19, 2023 | Jake Epstein

Posted on 10/31/2023 6:55:22 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie

Israeli officials have vowed to crush Hamas in response to its brutal terror attacks earlier this month, signaling that the way to ultimately do this is through a major ground invasion of the Gaza Strip. That's easier said than done though.

In Gaza, invading Israeli forces will face a complex and dangerous urban environment, in which Hamas' well-armed and well-prepared forces can hide, set up traps, and launch surprise assaults. And some of the most difficult fighting could be underground, in the city-like labyrinth of tunnels that are vital to the militant group's defensive and offensive operations.

Although it is unclear how the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) will go about dealing with challenges posed by the tunnels, they are a known threat and one for which the IDF is not unprepared. But while the military has the means to infiltrate this network, a former US Army infantry soldier said that in any capacity, "it will increase the time to conduct an operation in Gaza."

"You can't leave a hole to your back," John Spencer, chair of urban warfare studies at West Point's Modern War Institute, told Insider. "And you can't not clear a tunnel if there's a potential for a hostage to be in there."

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TOPICS: Gaza; Hamas; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: gaza; hamas; idf; israel; ohnoz; tunnel; war
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To: The_Media_never_lie

Kill them with robots. Female robots with hijabs that fire pork-laced bullets.


41 posted on 10/31/2023 7:55:06 PM PDT by Salvavida
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To: The_Media_never_lie

These guys always sound like they think the Israeli tacticians haven’t thought about all this all along and made plans accordingly.


42 posted on 10/31/2023 7:55:16 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard ( Resist the narrative)
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To: The_Media_never_lie

These guys always sound like they think the Israeli tacticians haven’t thought about all this all along and made plans accordingly.


43 posted on 10/31/2023 7:55:16 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard ( Resist the narrative)
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To: The_Media_never_lie
Cut off their food supply with the only exception being crisp cooked bacon.

They’ll quit being Muslim by choice forevermore and will cease being a problem.

44 posted on 10/31/2023 7:55:18 PM PDT by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: The_Media_never_lie

They have developed a fluid emulsion that spreads widely, swells then hardens... essentially sealing the tunnel. With small drones and all the time in the world.. just starve them out... or flood and seal them in a nice tomb.

There are all kinds of sensors that can detect movement, electronics, heat and other forms of data showing activity. Everyone thinks this is like a movie or binge worthy show... a week, a month, 6 months... I think if you just start pushing water into some of the tunnels, fill in entrances and just plow up as much rubble on top of them... should about do the trick.

The real key is that EVERY single person involved in the financing, operational training, logistics, transport, propaganda, intel... should be hunted down and killed. After the first one or two dozen businessmen, bankers, lawyers, supply companies, politicians at all levels, “charities” starts showing up dead... then it’ll get froggy. Every single person that shows their face on television in this country supporting Hamas needs to be doxxed, and let the chips fall where they may...

They HATE America, Christians, Jews and non-radical Muslims... they are the cancer.


45 posted on 10/31/2023 7:59:36 PM PDT by Dick Vomer (2 Timothy 4:7 "deo duce ferro comitantes" <p><b></B><P> <img src=""> )
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To: econjack

I was talking about Israeli casualties


46 posted on 10/31/2023 8:01:29 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA (Rebuild the Temple.)
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To: The_Media_never_lie
[opinions]

Simple choices.

Find the tunnel entrances. Seal them with large amounts of explosives. Move on to the next one.

The hostages are mostly dead by now. There is no point in risking soldiers' lives by entering the tunnel systems for any reason.

The Israelis once released over 1200 HAMAS terrorists for one IDF hostage. It was a bad trade. Many of those HAMAS terrorists went on to become leaders in the October 7 raids. IDF will not repeat that sort of mistake. Say prayers of mourning for the hostages and move on.

Destroy all minor structures and bulldoze the rubble into clear lanes of fire or clear traffic lanes. Destroy major structures as needed to prevent enemy fighters from using them for observation posts or sniper positions.

Any non-IDF person in northern Gaza must be considered hostile and a non-uniformed combatant. Yes, that includes ten-year-old children. Treat all persons accordingly.

Enemy fire from any source must get artillery, cannon, bombs, or rocket fire in counter-response until the area is levelled. "Civilian" casualties? See the previous section about non-uniformed combatants.

If they are unarmed and headed south, let 'em go. Otherwise, they are targets. See the previous section about non-uniformed combatants.

Note that I am not an IDF commander. I do not even play one on the internet. The real commanders are far too busy to pay any attention to the likes of me and anyway they have a better understanding of what they must do in their situations.

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47 posted on 10/31/2023 8:04:03 PM PDT by flamberge (We are living in "interesting times".)
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To: The_Media_never_lie

Pump in the Mediterranean.


48 posted on 10/31/2023 8:05:06 PM PDT by Organic Panic (Democrats. Memories as short as Joe Biden's eyes)
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To: The_Media_never_lie

They had been blowing up the tunnels. There’s no need to go into them.


49 posted on 10/31/2023 8:07:42 PM PDT by roving (👌⚓Deplorable Listless Vessel with Trumpitist who looks Trumpish)
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To: The_Media_never_lie

They’ll send in robots with cameras and belt fed 50 cals attached.


50 posted on 10/31/2023 8:10:50 PM PDT by Bshaw (A nefarious deceit is upon us all!)
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To: All

Fire hoses.


51 posted on 10/31/2023 8:12:57 PM PDT by mmichaels1970
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To: dadgum
Sponge bombs may be used to block tunnels.

And speaking of theromobaric weapons, I was watching the live feed from Sderot overlooking Gaza and in the distance I saw what appeared to be thermobaric detonations the first of which occurred at 12:54am Israel time in case anyone's interested. The second followed a couple minutes afterward.

The detonation was a low profile and quickly outward expansion that lit up the night sky like no other typical JDAM, etc. would do. Quite stunning, especially for any Hamas RATS inside the tunnel. Fighter jets in afterburner accompanied the strikes.

52 posted on 10/31/2023 8:29:19 PM PDT by CivilWarBrewing (Get off my back for my usage of CAPS, especially you snowflake males! MAN UP!)
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i love how the WORLD media makes it sound like this is gonna be so bad...and so difficult, blah blah. Were talking taking down just one city...plus the fact these idiots are pinned against the Mediterranean Sea and have zero air cover. ....not a good place to be. So far, the IDF has only lost 2 soldiers. The only thing that can stop this operation is Israel itself backing down to the media and sympathizers. I say this could done and finished in less than a month. Really up to Israel now....i say just cut the city in half..then go block by block and just pulverize them. Make em wish their mothers had never met their fathers.


53 posted on 10/31/2023 9:49:17 PM PDT by basalt (qb's)
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To: Tell It Right

the Northern part of the city had been decimated...how are the hamas guys gonna fight in that wiped out part of the city. You gotta be able to sleep and eat. Looks to me like the IDF is gonna cut the city in half...then go block by block, in the North and just pulverize whats left. Then watch them surrender so fast....


54 posted on 10/31/2023 9:57:19 PM PDT by basalt (qb's)
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To: The_Media_never_lie

We used flame throwers in the Pacific during WW 2. Time for them to make a comeback.


55 posted on 10/31/2023 10:50:30 PM PDT by AlaskaErik (There are three kinds of rats: Rats, Damned Rats, and DemocRats.)
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To: The_Media_never_lie

Block off or destroy every entrance they can find and start funneling them down. They’ll start running low on oxygen eventually. I promose they’re not smart enough to build pipes to allow fresh O2.


56 posted on 10/31/2023 10:54:33 PM PDT by Tacrolimus1mg (Do no harm, but take no sh!t.)
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To: The_Media_never_lie

The IDF is not letting on what they are doing or what they know. Smart move.


57 posted on 10/31/2023 11:02:36 PM PDT by Texas resident (Biden=Obama=Jarrett=Soros)
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To: dadgum

Heat travels well through tunnels and points to vents and openings via IR sensors.


58 posted on 11/01/2023 1:15:05 AM PDT by Revolutionary ("Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition!")
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To: LTC.Ret

In WWII, we used flame-throwers...


59 posted on 11/01/2023 3:25:13 AM PDT by Does so ( 🇺🇦...................."Who is Ray Epps?" should be overstamped on every piece of currency.)
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To: AlaskaErik

Today, we have fuel injection.

;)


60 posted on 11/01/2023 3:26:49 AM PDT by Does so ( 🇺🇦...................."Who is Ray Epps?" should be overstamped on every piece of currency.)
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