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Maine mass shooting suspect found dead, sources say
NBC10 ^ | 10-27-23 | Staff Reports

Posted on 10/27/2023 6:09:20 PM PDT by dynachrome

The man suspected in Wednesday's massacre that killed 18 people in Lewiston, Maine, has been found dead, sources told the NBC10 Boston Investigators Friday night.

Robert Card was the subject of a dayslong manhunt that followed mass shootings at the Just-In-Time Recreation bowling alley and Schemengees Bar and Grille.

The update comes after days of angst as an armed and dangerous man was unaccounted for after 18 people were killed and 13 injured.

(Excerpt) Read more at nbcboston.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Maine
KEYWORDS: carddead; hearingvoices; lewiston; maine; mentalhealthcrisis; mkultra; psychosis; robertcard; shooter
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To: Texan5
I thought maybe he was being treated for schizophrenia, never mind the hearing aid story-auditory and/or visual hallucinations are common with that particular mental disorder-and those people can be very, very dangerous.

Yes, this.

I've attended some presentations on mental health, and the most frequent hallucination befalling schizophrenics is auditory (voices). And, the voices are rarely kind or friendly.

I strongly suspect that it would be in violation of several laws for such an individual to obtains or possess firearms.

121 posted on 10/27/2023 7:56:39 PM PDT by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never, never, never...in nothing, great or small...Winston ChurchIill)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

“..you know nothing about mental health legalities...”

True! But I know that all of these mass murderers have been found to have had treatable mental conditions. And that denotes a failed mental health system.


122 posted on 10/27/2023 8:00:45 PM PDT by elpadre (rattle snakes)
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To: dynachrome
..wound my heart with a monotonous languor...

So tired, so weary of the mind-numbing impact of these tragic events...My prayers are up for the victims and their families. They are in my thoughts every time I leave my house with "Mr. Sig" along for the ride.

123 posted on 10/27/2023 8:06:49 PM PDT by PerConPat (A politician is an animal which can sit on a fence and yet keep both ears to the ground.- Mencken)
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To: dynachrome

He wasn’t wearing body armor and it looks like he was headed back to his old work place.


124 posted on 10/27/2023 8:08:25 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer” )
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To: lightman

👍🏻


125 posted on 10/27/2023 8:08:51 PM PDT by MyDogAteMyBallot ( )
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To: dynachrome

It’s a shame no one in the bowling alley had a permit to carry and how to use it.


126 posted on 10/27/2023 8:14:32 PM PDT by Maris Crane
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To: Seaplaner
I've attended some presentations on mental health, and the most frequent hallucination befalling schizophrenics is auditory (voices). And, the voices are rarely kind or friendly

I have undergone a "hearing voices" exercise as part of law enforcement Crisis Intervention Team training.

You wear a headset and various voices...sometimes right ear only, sometimes left ear only, sometimes two or more voices in both ears saying stuff like "you are a loser" or "you are such a rotten creature that you do not deserve to live".

In training there is a volume control.

In real life there is none.

127 posted on 10/27/2023 8:15:03 PM PDT by lightman (I am a binary Trinitarian. Deal with it!)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

Do you know the cost to the families of those killed by these people? Do you know the cost if the gun grabbers get their way?

You just have to pass the laws with safeguards.


128 posted on 10/27/2023 8:15:28 PM PDT by McGavin999 ( A sense of humor is a sign of intelligence, leftists have no sense of humor, therefore……)
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To: McGavin999

We have “laws with safeguards”...preventing authorities in New York from sharing critical information with authorities in Maine.


129 posted on 10/27/2023 8:17:57 PM PDT by lightman (I am a binary Trinitarian. Deal with it!)
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To: elpadre

People have to agree to be treated and either they refused treatment or none was available.


130 posted on 10/27/2023 8:18:01 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (The 2020 election Trump victory determines the fate f America and Freedom.)
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To: Seaplaner

So what?
Anyone can get a gun.

Do you think gang bangers cant get guns.
Gun laws are for law abiding citizens.


131 posted on 10/27/2023 8:20:51 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (The 2020 election Trump victory determines the fate f America and Freedom.)
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To: Maris Crane

You said a mouthful right there.


132 posted on 10/27/2023 8:22:17 PM PDT by .30Carbine
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To: Texan5

Not misplaced kindness..taxpaers wont pay for long term care


133 posted on 10/27/2023 8:22:36 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (The 2020 election Trump victory determines the fate f America and Freedom.)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
we have no long term facillities.

itis harder to commit someone for longer periods because of our rights to not be committed without strict legal rules. familes have the right to have someone committed for evaluation in a psychiatric hospital. they can fill out forms that go to a judge. patient is held until their insurance runs out...then there are no govt facillities for the patient to go to cause taxpayers will not pay for that.

In about 2006 give or take a few years my wife was seeing a shrink for PTSD and clinical depression. A threat to no one as she was quadriplegic. A shrink placed her on Zoloft and Trazadone to treat her. In a few months over a days time she changed radically. She became agitated and was halucinating. I took her to a hospital which had a pysch unit also. Things went down hill fast.

The attending dork in the ER said I'm calling mobile crisis to have her sent to a mental facility. I said hang on I want a MRI of her brain and bloodwork done first. He said no. I went to call a family member and when I returned to the exam room a guard was posted at the door and I went in and she was unconscious. I yelled get a doctor in here Stat. I used to work in nursing homes myself. So did she. I told the doctor she is unconscious you need to treat her now do te scan do the blood work. He said No. I said you stupid &&&&& what mental condition causes this then? He said I called mobile crisis. I had my dad to pull our van to the entrance and I left with her to go to another hospital that was level one.

When we got there the got her conscious and were fixing to order test and do labs when I told them what happened at the previous ER. They said were calling mobile crisis. I said No she is not going to a mental hospital before test are done. They said you can't have her stay here. I said I sign her name all the time now call her primary care doctor first agian he said no.

Mobile crisis shows up and I tell them I want her to have a MRI and blood work and they refuse and I am not sending her to any mental facility until this happens. They said she stays here they will treat her. I asked how come I was having no say? They told me because it was mental.

OK short version. She stayed there a week third night of no meds she was fine no more hallucinations. In pops Dr Happy Pill and puts her right back on what she just had. At noon she took it and at 1:00pm she was hallucinating and thrashing.

I went home to clean up and went on line to a search engine entering Trazadone/Zolft adverse reactions. BINGO it was Serotonin Syndrome. I called the hospital and talked to the floor supervisor and said I'm on my way back and do not give her any more meds except Ativan or Xanax until I get there. I printed the report I found and brought it with me.

I showed it to the nurse and I told her no more Zoloft No More Trazadone I waant to see her doctor this is a very serious adverse reaction that can kill her. Nurse Rachett said No he'll be by in the morning. I said you had best not give her any more of it.

Next morning house doc comes in and starts blessing me out over meds. I showed him the article an alert actually by a pharmacology professor. The doctor glanced and said rubbish. I said read the authors name and where he teaches. It was his professor.

Next night about 2:00 am she was ok again. Doctor came in and they FINALLY took her for a MRI. Two Brain Bleeders one old one fresh as in very recent.

Not one doctor ever acknowledged what had happened. She was discharged next day and then the following day she Finally Got To See Herr Primary Care Doc who saw her and said "What in the world did they do to you"? She had beat herself black and blue because law says no restraints. Fast forward in 2015 after 30 years as her husband and caregiver I signed the medical papers and she passed the next day from incurable Pnuemonia. That is rthe laws.

134 posted on 10/27/2023 8:23:26 PM PDT by cva66snipe
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To: elpadre

We have billions to help Ukraine but very little for our own mental health needs .

….


135 posted on 10/27/2023 8:24:20 PM PDT by Mears
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To: lightman

So what...

He could get a gun anytime, how do you think criminals get guns


136 posted on 10/27/2023 8:24:28 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (The 2020 election Trump victory determines the fate f America and Freedom.)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

Albuquerque Police raided a storage facility involved in organized retail theft. They found a German MG34. Hitler’s buzzsaw. Probably only limited by the ability to find belted 8mm Mauser.


137 posted on 10/27/2023 8:25:50 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

We make the same point, my good FRiend.


138 posted on 10/27/2023 8:29:11 PM PDT by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never, never, never...in nothing, great or small...Winston ChurchIill)
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To: McGavin999

Anyone can get guns..we cant even stop criminals from getting guns

HOMOCIDES BY GUNS IN 2022...20,000
MAS SHOOTINGS...672

MASS SHOOTINGS JUST GET MEDIA CIVERAGE


139 posted on 10/27/2023 8:29:13 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (The 2020 election Trump victory determines the fate f America and Freedom.)
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To: dynachrome

Figured.
Even this time of year, thermal imaging would have found him with a quickness. He assumed room temperature before they even found his vehicle.


140 posted on 10/27/2023 8:32:30 PM PDT by End Times Sentinel (In the conflict between the stone and the stream, the stream will always prevail.)
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