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Polls Show Trump Beating Biden In Battleground States, Even Amid Numerous Indictments
The Federalist ^ | 10/24/2023 | J.T. Young

Posted on 10/24/2023 9:45:58 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Biden is now behind where it counts. He needs to run well ahead in the popular vote to erase his Electoral College vote deficit.

Looking to the 2024 presidential race, Donald Trump is ahead where it counts: in electoral votes. While national polls show a dead heat, they do not tell the whole story. If the battleground states break the way current polling shows, Trump has the chance to break his electoral vote margin of victory over Hillary Clinton in 2016. And all this could occur regardless of how the popular vote plays out next November and despite the numerous, well-publicized criminal and civil indictments against him. 

On Oct. 19, Bloomberg-Morning Consult released a series of polls in seven battleground states (Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, North Carolina, Pennslyvania, and Wisconsin). Although his lead is within the polls’ margins of error, Trump leads in five of the seven states. In the other two, he is tied in Michigan and trails by just 3 percentage points in Nevada. To put this into 2024 context: Trump lost six of these states in 2020, winning only North Carolina.

While Bloomberg-Morning Consult did not release a national poll, RealClearPolitics’ Oct. 19 average of national polling showed Biden and Trump tied at 43.9 percent apiece. 

When is a tie a loss in presidential elections? When it occurs in the popular vote — but not in the Electoral College vote. That is because the electoral vote determines the winner; the popular vote is just for show.

Think it cannot happen? It already did in 2016. Trump lost the popular vote to Hillary Clinton by 2.1 percentage points (45.9 percent to 48 percent), but he beat her 306 to 232 where it counted. 

Think it cannot happen again? If Bloomberg-Morning Consult’s numbers are accurate, it is well on its way. Of the seven battleground states they just polled, Trump won all but Nevada in 2016.

Starting from the 2020 electoral vote outcome that Trump lost to Biden 232-306, here is a breakdown of the 2024 electoral college math and what the seven battleground state polls tell us.

Trump automatically picks up three electoral votes from his 2020 total due to reapportionment from the last census. So, just holding his 2020 states, Trump now trails 235-306.

Next add in the states he lost in 2020 (Arizona, Georgia, Pennslyvania, and Wisconsin) where Bloomberg-Morning Consult’s polls show him currently leading. Together, they account for 56 electoral votes. Add those 56 electoral votes to the Trump column and subtract them from the Biden column, and you get Trump winning 291-247 — even if he wound up losing Michigan (where he is tied) and Nevada (where he trails by 3 percentage points).

Because the magic number of electoral votes needed to win the White House is just 270, Trump would not need to win all four of the battleground states where he now leads. Trump could get to 270 by just winning Pennsylvania and Georgia. Under any scenario, he could break 270 by winning just three of the four — again assuming he still loses Michigan and Nevada. 

What do 2016 and 2020 tell us? Democrats need to win by more than 2.1 percent (with which Clinton lost) and up to 4.4 percent (with which Biden won). Take the midpoint, and you get 3.25 as a rough minimum of popular vote cushion that a Democrat running against Trump needs to win the electoral vote.

Of course, this is just a rough assumption. Remember that Biden’s 4 percentage point margin still only amounted to squeaker 2020 wins in six of those seven battleground states which proved pivotal in his victory.

The bottom line is that Biden needs a big popular vote cushion to be competitive with Trump in the electoral vote. Effectively, despite being tied with Trump in the popular vote now, Biden is well below the cushion he needs to win the White House. 

So where does Biden’s needed boost in the polls come from? 

Foreign policy? It is hard to see his record improving so dramatically that it helps him in his domestic poll numbers. 

The economy? The economy has had only mediocre real growth for most of his presidency, while inflation has raged.

The border crisis? This is a crisis of his own making, so fixing the mess — which his recently announced 20 miles of new wall will hardly do — he made hardly equates to a victory.

America’s urban chaos? It is hard to imagine this getting better without tough policing reforms — reforms that Biden’s left flank opposes. So, do not expect a change here because Biden desperately needs his left in 2024.

Of course, Trump could make his own mistakes that will help Biden. Yet the converse also holds: Biden is more than capable of making things worse for himself over the next year.

Biden is now behind where it counts. He needs to run well ahead in the popular vote to erase his Electoral College vote deficit. Yet none of the major issues likely to influence voters look likely to significantly improve for him over the next year. If they do not, Biden could find himself losing Michigan and Nevada as well. If so, Trump would win 21 more electoral votes and finish with 321: nine more than his victory over Clinton in 2016.

To drive home the point of Biden’s uphill struggle, consider that Trump’s leads have come while facing well-publicized legal issues. He is facing four separate indictments in four states (New York, Florida, D.C., and Georgia) and 91 felony counts. While most are focusing on when trials will begin (the first is currently scheduled to begin March 4, 2024, in Washington, D.C., on election interference charges), the more pertinent dates for current polling are when the charges were brought.

The first indictment occurred in New York on March 30, 2023; the latest occurred in Georgia on Aug. 23, 2023. That means charges have hung over Trump for seven months, and all four indictments have for over two months. All have received massive media coverage, yet Trump is still leading in five of the seven battleground states. Rather than weakening Trump, Democrat prosecutors and media persecutors may instead have inoculated him. If so, Biden’s climb will be even steeper still.


J.T. Young was a professional staffer in the House and Senate from 1987-2000, served in the Department of Treasury and Office of Management and Budget from 2001-2004, and was director of government relations for a Fortune 20 company from 2004-2023.



TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2024; biden; polls; trump
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1 posted on 10/24/2023 9:45:58 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Great if you believe the polling. It also does not take in to account the cheating that will happen


2 posted on 10/24/2023 9:47:53 AM PDT by cableguymn
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To: SeekAndFind

Numerous indictments? Not numerous crimes?
These people are sick. Even the federalist.


3 posted on 10/24/2023 9:49:41 AM PDT by stanne
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“Even Amid Numerous Indictments“

Nice headline a-holes.


4 posted on 10/24/2023 9:51:38 AM PDT by gibsonguy ( )
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The indictments probably increased his chances since they are obvious garbage and the state is attacking him.


5 posted on 10/24/2023 9:52:49 AM PDT by escapefromboston (Peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none.)
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To: cableguymn

Trump beat Biden in the battleground states before, before all the cheating votes were counted.


6 posted on 10/24/2023 10:03:00 AM PDT by libertylover (Our biggest problem, by far, is that almost all of big media is AGENDA-DRIVEN, not-truth driven.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Election integrity is dead. I don’t care if Trump has a 30 point lead in a poll.


7 posted on 10/24/2023 10:04:04 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: SeekAndFind

“And all this could occur regardless of how the popular vote plays out next “ That is always the case. There is no such thing as a popular vote for President.


8 posted on 10/24/2023 10:05:14 AM PDT by pas
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To: escapefromboston
The indictments probably increased his chances since they are obvious garbage and the state is attacking him.

Obvious to a thinking person like you, but you're not going to be judge or the jury. My guess is there's a high probability that the Kangaroo Courts with their OJ juries will convict Trump. I'd love to be wrong.

9 posted on 10/24/2023 10:06:08 AM PDT by libertylover (Our biggest problem, by far, is that almost all of big media is AGENDA-DRIVEN, not-truth driven.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Election integrity is dead. I don’t care if Trump has a 30 point lead in a poll.


10 posted on 10/24/2023 10:06:33 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: libertylover

Ya.... And he is in the White House right?


11 posted on 10/24/2023 10:07:13 AM PDT by cableguymn
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To: SeekAndFind

Trump cannot win. Fact


12 posted on 10/24/2023 10:07:37 AM PDT by rrrod (6)
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RE: Trump cannot win. Fact

So, we are to resign ourselves to being under a Democrat controlled presidency in perpetuity?


13 posted on 10/24/2023 10:08:58 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
Polls Show Trump Beating Biden In Battleground States, Even Amid Numerous Indictments

Seriously, do you really think polls matter? This is Trump we're talking about. When the rubber hits the road there is no way in hell dems are going to allow Trump to win the White House again. They will stay up for days bringing in ballots to count to make sure Trump doesn't win, hell Biden will get 120,000,000,000 votes this time around, he's just so awesome!

14 posted on 10/24/2023 10:09:55 AM PDT by rockabyebaby (THE BEST IS YET TO COME - (PRESIDENT DONALD J. TRUMP))
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To: SeekAndFind

Is it within the MoF (Margin of Fraud) ? Yes, well within.


15 posted on 10/24/2023 10:11:01 AM PDT by libh8er
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To: SeekAndFind

This is nice, until the Dems count the 2024 Presidential votes.


16 posted on 10/24/2023 10:12:32 AM PDT by jeffc (Resident of the free State of Florida)
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To: SeekAndFind

He will not win PA unfortunately the Republican baby killers and all democrat baby killers included will be voting and supporting for the other guy.


17 posted on 10/24/2023 10:13:47 AM PDT by kvanbrunt2
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To: rockabyebaby

That’s exactly what’s going to happen. They will delay election results in battleground states by weeks if they have to- however long it takes produce the required number of ballots to put Biden over Trump. The higher Trump’s lead over Biden on election night, the longer the delay. But Biden will win every single swing state.


18 posted on 10/24/2023 10:15:40 AM PDT by libh8er
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To: rockabyebaby

Seriously, do you really think polls matter? This is Trump we’re talking about. When the rubber hits the road there is no way in hell dems are going to allow Trump to win the White House again. >>> not just dems. the Republican baby killers won’t vote or support him either. That is the real problem.


19 posted on 10/24/2023 10:15:50 AM PDT by kvanbrunt2
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To: cableguymn
Yea. That meme is getting old. Don't vote.
We intend to.
Trump 2024.
20 posted on 10/24/2023 10:18:29 AM PDT by MotorCityBuck (Keep the change, you filthy animal! )
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