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ATF proposes rule to close 'gun show loophole'
ABC News ^ | September 1, 2023 | Luke Barr

Posted on 09/02/2023 6:25:42 PM PDT by Twotone

A new proposed rule by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives would increase what is required to obtain a federal firearms license (FFL) for gun sellers across the country -- an attempt to end what gun control advocates term "the gun show loophole."

Justice Department officials told reporters that prior to the Bipartisan Safer Communities Act, which was signed into law last June, those "engaged in the business" of a firearms dealer were defined broadly. The definition that ATF is proposing is more specific in an effort to better regulate the market in accordance with the new federal law.

"The prior definition before that, [before] the BSCA was implemented and signed by the president, focused on when a person earns their livelihood from dealing in firearms," a senior DOJ official said on the call with reporters. "The revised, new definition covers anyone devotes time, attention and labor to dealing with firearms as a regular course of trade or business to predominantly earn a profit. So, the rulemaking is focused on that new terminology to predominantly earn a profit."

"The proposed rule would amend the ATF regulations to clarify that firearm dealing that requires a license and conduct conducting a background check does not solely occur in brick-and-mortar stores," a senior DOJ official said. "It also encompasses dealing at gun shows flea markets mail order and over the internet. The proposed rule reinforces and makes clear that there is no gun show loophole, there is no internet loophole recognized under federal law. Instead, a gun dealer must obtain a license and run background checks, no matter what menu that person engages in this."

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; armedcitizen; atf; atfthugsarefairgame; banglist; civilwar; defundtheatf; ffl; gunshowloophole; illegalregime; rkba
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To: Twotone

Go on down to the bad side of town, and there’s a never-ending street fair of illegal guns that the ATF has no handle on, cares not a wit about, and couldn’t do anything about if they did care. And those are the guns that are killing people daily in poor neighborhoods. So instead they’re going to make a new regulation. Goody goody goody.


21 posted on 09/03/2023 3:32:51 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (Every Goliath has his David. Child in need of a CGM system. https://gofund.me/6452dbf1. )
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To: Twotone

…no matter what menu that person engages in this.”

LOL! Stupid editor or stupid DOJ official doesn’t know the word is “venue.”


22 posted on 09/03/2023 4:12:42 AM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: Regulator

And zip from the NRA with bumpstock ban. That should have been a clear sign.


23 posted on 09/03/2023 4:16:57 AM PDT by momincombatboots (BQEphesians 6... who you are really at war with. )
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To: Twotone
I’m trying to find the authority to do this in the phrase, “…shall not be infringed”, but darned if I can see it. Maybe that part was written in invisible ink, or maybe you have to rearrange the letters in the text of the Second Amendment to discover the secret intent of the document’s authors.

Anyway, I don’t know what the secret is to discovering the hidden meaning in the Second Amendment, but leftist judges appear to have found it.

24 posted on 09/03/2023 4:39:32 AM PDT by noiseman (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: Twotone

There is no gun show loophole.


25 posted on 09/03/2023 4:51:02 AM PDT by stockpirate (Where Justice Ends Tyranny Begins...Repression Breeds Violence")
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To: Eleutheria5

The “gun show loophole” is actually about banning private sales/transfers.

In many states you can sell/gift your gun to another individual without having to go through an FFL.

https://www.uslawshield.com/given-a-gun-pennsylvania/


26 posted on 09/03/2023 5:05:20 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Either you will rule. Or you will be ruled. There is no other choice.)
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To: Twotone
Instead, a gun dealer must obtain a license and run background checks, no matter what menu that person engages in this."

Menu? Did they mean "venue"? Or do they mean you get a free hamburger with each purchase of a $900 gun? But you can't get a free gun with each purchase of a $900 hamburger?

27 posted on 09/03/2023 5:12:47 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (They intend to murder us. Prep if you want to live and live like you are prepping for eternal life)
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To: Sirius Lee

I’m assuming it should be venue.

The thing that doesn’t make sense to me is this rule shouldn’t stop the average person who bought a gun, used it for a while & found it didn’t meet their needs, & turns around & sells it to someone else. Without a background check. They aren’t making a profit, they’re just recovering their purchase price to be used elsewhere.

What does this rule really solve?


28 posted on 09/03/2023 6:24:46 AM PDT by Twotone
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To: Twotone

All gun problems were solved back in 1968. the democrats said so till the ink was dry on the 1968 gun control law, then they started crying for more legislation.

“Today we begin to disarm the criminal and the careless and the insane. All of our people who are deeply concerned in this country about law and order should hail this day.”-— Lyndon Johnson signing the 1968 gun control act into law.

And Thomas J. Dodd, who wrote the 1968 gun control act using the 1938 Nazi weapons law as a pattern...

“No one can predict how many lives will be spared because of this bill, but, if the bloody record of our yesterdays is any measure, millions of future Americans will live to enjoy the promise of many peaceful tomorrows.

I am grateful to have had the opportunity to play a part in this great moment in our time.”— Thomas J. Dodd on passage of the 1968 Gun control act.

HOW’D THAT WORK OUT FOR YOU AMERICA!


29 posted on 09/03/2023 6:29:22 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (“No man’s life, liberty, or property are safe while the legislature is in session.”)
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To: Twotone

ATF proposes rule to close ‘gun show loophole.

Nobody like the feds can create a black market.

Bonus round: Biden wants to nationalize pot cartel expands
sales.


30 posted on 09/03/2023 7:50:36 AM PDT by Vaduz (....)
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To: Twotone

Since there is NO “Gun Show Loophole” to begin with, maybe we should demand that Congress cut off all funding for the ATF.


31 posted on 09/03/2023 8:06:38 AM PDT by Howie66 ("Biden-Fetterman 2024. It's A No Brainer")
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

97.8 Percent of Mass Shootings Are Linked to This ANTI-DEPRESSANTS.

97.8 percent of mass shootings occur in “gun-free zones,” as the perpetrators know legally armed citizens won’t be there to stop them
https://libertyfirst.org/97-8-of-mass-shootings-are-linked-to-this/

ACLU Files Lawsuit for Child Murderer Denied Transgender Surgery

The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) in the state of Indiana has filed a lawsuit for a child murderer being refused transgender surgery.

11 month old girl.

This past July, Indiana passed a law that essentially bans the use of state or federal dollars to help transition inmates who identify as transgender. The lawsuit from the ACLU has been filed on behalf of Autumn Cordellioné, also known as Jonathan C. Richardson, who murdered his 11-month-old stepdaughter in 2001. According to Reduxx, Richardson had told police at the time that he found the infant “unresponsive” after doing household chores, but his story changed dramatically after several interviews until he eventually confessed to violently shaking the baby to handle her fussiness:

While awaiting his eventual court hearing, Richardson reportedly told a prison official, “all I know is I killed the little fucking bitch.” He was subsequently sentenced to 55 years in prison.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/08/30/aclu-files-lawsuit-child-murderer-denied-transgender-surgery/

The ACLU was set up after a child murderer, Leo Frank, was removed from this world by a vengeful mob, after he had successfully cheated justice. That was back in 1920 or so; the original crime was in 1916. https://nationalvanguard.org/2017/04/leo-frank-making-a-martyr/

The ACLU was set up after a child murderer, Leo Frank, was removed from this world by a vengeful mob, after he had successfully cheated justice. That was back in 1920 or so; the original crime was in 1916.

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Kidnappers Caught in the Act: Heroic Truck Driver Rescues “Approximately 15” Children Trapped in Padlocked Cages in the Back of Pickup Truck (VIDEO)

Michael was parked in a rest area off I-10 in New Mexico when he witnessed a pick-up truck pull up nearby. A man and woman proceeded to unlock a padlocked cage beneath a tarp in the back of the truck, from which they released several children.

According to the video uploaded by the truck driver, the kidnappers were seen ushering the children into and out of a bathroom at the rest area before locking them back into the cage.

“I’m sitting at a rest area. This truck pulls up, opens up the back. It’s like a cage-looking thing… That guy and this lady have a whole bunch of kids in the back of that truck… And then they take the padlock off, raise the tarp, and all these kids come out the back, and they’re forcing them into the bathroom,” Michael said.

“I called 911… I don’t know what’s going on. I’m not real big on calling the cops, but when it comes to kids and their safety and with all this human trafficking and all this crap going on in the world, not cool. So I call the cops just to be on the safe side,” Michael added. “It was about 15, I would say,” Michael said. Michael said the little girls that he saw were no older than three or four years old.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/08/kidnappers-caught-act-heroic-truck-driver-rescues-15/


32 posted on 09/03/2023 8:35:50 AM PDT by GailA (Constitution vs evil Treasonous political Apparatchiks, Constitutional Conservative.)
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To: marktwain

The sales of ONE Gun would put you in the crosshairs.
From what I understand.


33 posted on 09/03/2023 10:36:49 AM PDT by Big Red Badger (The Truman Show)
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To: GailA
... he found the infant “unresponsive” after doing household chores...

That infant was too young todo chores anyhow!

34 posted on 09/03/2023 10:59:47 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Big Red Badger

Well; you need to HAVE gun before you can sell it in the wrong manner; so, in order to alleviate the problem, you shouldn’t have the gun in the first place!


35 posted on 09/03/2023 11:01:41 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Big Red Badger

The ATF cannot legislate. What they want to do by re-defining has already been tested by the Supreme Court and they ruled the ATF could not legislate by re definition.

I’m 75 and have never sold a firearm in my life. Have bought a few and inherited a few. And will keep what I have. This is still Texas where I live. My neighbors agree on this issue.

I reload.


36 posted on 09/03/2023 11:39:19 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not about where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind and Attitude.)
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To: midwest_hiker
If I’m going to sell any firearms. Why get an FFL. Just pay an existing FFL the fee to complete the transfer.

Why bother with that? Unless you're selling out of State, just trade the gun for the cash. Write up a receipt if you want to.
37 posted on 09/03/2023 1:02:23 PM PDT by Svartalfiar
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To: Elsie; Texas Fossil

The boating accident leads to a dead dog and then I’m looking for a lawyer.
Thing’s may get ugly.


38 posted on 09/03/2023 1:21:32 PM PDT by Big Red Badger (The Truman Show)
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To: Elsie

MANCHIN ANNOUNCES $8.7 MILLION TO PROMOTE PUBLIC SAFETY, STRENGTHEN CRIMINAL JUSTICE ACROSS WEST VIRGINIA

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39 posted on 09/03/2023 1:45:19 PM PDT by GailA (Constitution vs evil Treasonous political Apparatchiks, Constitutional Conservative.)
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To: PROCON

H NO! violent

Youngest Woman to be Sentenced to Death in US is Pleading for Her Punishment to be Vacated Nearly 30 Years Later

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40 posted on 09/03/2023 1:50:42 PM PDT by GailA (Constitution vs evil Treasonous political Apparatchiks, Constitutional Conservative.)
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