Posted on 08/24/2023 4:34:15 PM PDT by FarCenter
A new fossil ape from an 8.7-million-year-old site in Türkiye is challenging long-accepted ideas of human origins and adding weight to the theory that the ancestors of African apes and humans evolved in Europe before migrating to Africa between nine and seven million years ago.
Analysis of a newly identified ape named Anadoluvius turkae recovered from the Çorakyerler fossil locality near Çankırı with the support of the Ministry of Culture and Tourism in Türkiye, shows Mediterranean fossil apes are diverse and are part of the first known radiation of early hominines—the group that includes African apes (chimpanzees, bonobos and gorillas), humans and their fossil ancestors.
The findings are described in a study published today in Communications Biology co-authored by an international team of researchers led by Professor David Begun at the University of Toronto (U of T) and Professor Ayla Sevim Erol at Ankara University.
"Our findings further suggest that hominines not only evolved in western and central Europe but spent over five million years evolving there and spreading to the eastern Mediterranean before eventually dispersing into Africa, probably as a consequence of changing environments and diminishing forests," said Begun, professor in the Department of Anthropology in the Faculty of Arts & Science at U of T. "The members of this radiation to which Anadoluvius belongs are currently only identified in Europe and Anatolia."
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LOL! :)
All scripture is inspired by God. You’ve apparently drunk the evolutionist’s koolaid. Man was created perfect and devolved into what we have now by sin. Recent discoveries by so called scientists tell us dinosaurs kept soft tissue for 65 million years and despite what the Webb telescope says galaxies cannot form until at least 500 million years after the big bang. Man may be trying to devolve into apes but we didn’t come from them. WQe were created in the image of God.
I just don’t believe that. I’m shocked there are still young earth creationists around.
If jwst proves anything it’ll show the universe is even older than what is now thought. But that’s fine with me.
That's 'cause that's where they all looked (Africa).
They don't want to know the truth.
And Africa has the least amount of human progress and probably more preservation opportunity. The white sands footprints are throwing a major wrench into human migration theories as well.
“They were just making things up based on their old oral traditions.”
Exactly. Which is all they knew.
“There’s nothing to be gained with creationism.”
Well, there is: IF the creationism goes back to the beginning of LIFE. Because, the purpose of Creationism, as a philosophy, is LIFE; and the concept that God created Man in His own image. What the composers of Genesis did not know — and could not have known — was just how far back that went. It was not their fault: They could only approach the matter from what they knew, and that was VERY limited.
Big Mike
Would you acceot historical records of Joseph Smith? If he got hidden info about Indians being lost Mews.. Well you can stop right there because that is stupid nonsense right? Why would you believe the many wirters of Genesis any more than him? Because it’s more accepted? That leads to flat earth type thinking.
Sorry spellchecker. Smith’s views on lost tribes of Israel. Which are also likely historical noise at their foundation.
Pseudoscience is not a good foundation for your world outlook
As an anthropologist I must say you are Far too Centered for this place... lol
Remarkable find if true... Thank you.
“I just don’t believe that. I’m shocked there are still young earth creationists around.”
Oh man... You ain’t seen nothing yet from around here when it comes to young earth. There is a whole crew that sit like vultures just waiting for a post like this.lol
“That does not discredit Genesis. Rather, it puts time into perspective. Hence, evolution.”
No it doesn’t. We were indeed created. but with some pauses for adaptation along the way until we were finally perfected.
“Man did not evolve from apes.”
Technically true. We were genetically modified from apes as a base to start from.
Does the universe being created by an unthinking fluctuating quantum foam with no afterlife or real meaning other than the roll of the dice scare them? I’m not saying that’s fully how it is, but it’s the general idea.
“Would you acceot historical records of Joseph Smith?”
I can accept that he lived and he wrote and he spoke. As to the veracity of everything he imparted, I do not generally subscribe.
“Why would you believe the many wirters of Genesis any more than him?”
Did you even read what I wrote? The authors of Genesis could only write about that with which they were familiar; they could not write about that which they were not. It was oral tradition that God created all in six days. But, how long were those days? The authors of Genesis could only relate to the span of a day as they knew it; and the passage of time as they knew it. They could not have known that the earth had existed for billions of years before they had ever drawn breath.
And, as for God creating Man in His own image? Why not? Perhaps God created coelacanths in His own image, as well. And every other form of life. Because if God could create the planets, and the universe, and the vast cosmos, He could certainly create something as puny as Earth; and could populate it with whatever He wanted. And because He was the Creator, EVERYTHING was in His image.
SOMETHING, or SOME BEING, or SOMEONE had to have started the ball rolling; there had to have been a source, because something cannot be created by or evolve from nothing. We call that something, or that some being, or someone, GOD. What we call it is really immaterial.
“That leads to flat earth type thinking.”
Not at all. Because we seek to discover that which we do not know. Only a closed mind will say that his or her opinion is the be-all and end-all and that reality begins and ends with him or her.
“No it doesn’t. We were indeed created. but with some pauses for adaptation along the way until we were finally perfected.”
Well, if Modern Man is perfection I am greatly disappointed.
I agree, but at the time modern man Homo sapian-Sapian was about as good as it was going to get considering all the time and steps in modification it took to get there.
I think it’s reasonable to think in the mutiverse model or many worlds Tha thinking there is some thinking creator you’re going to meet after you die. Once you give up on the idea that there is an intelligent design you can move into the more modern physics. Was there a god that set things in motion? Maybe. But believing in a creator that cares about puny earth’s desntiny, much less an individuals, is incredibly far fetched.
I think most people want to belive in a god instead of believing theirselvea and everyone they knew returns to a state of nothing like before you were born. That is the main bias to overcome.
“Does the universe being created by an unthinking fluctuating quantum foam with no afterlife or real meaning other than the roll of the dice scare them?”
Scare who and why? It is nonsense. We were created by a higher intelligence but not in the way of the common narrative.
“I agree, but at the time modern man Homo sapian-Sapian was about as good as it was going to get considering all the time and steps in modification it took to get there.”
All what time? In the scheme of things, man showed up in milliseconds.
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