Posted on 08/22/2023 12:58:35 PM PDT by ChicagoConservative27
and not everybody thinks like religious evangelicals do, so there’s that. I hope the R’s don’t start this again.
They look like damned liars, to me.
Exactly. Abortion is birth control for that segement of the population too stupid to bring a picture ID to vote or to show up sober to work.
No, it is hurting us because the ability to slaughter their children in the womb has become the defining empowerment of too many women from all walks of life.
Biden will run on abortion and Trump on his way to reelection in 2024.
About 60 years ago a sexual revolution swept the country, first in the colleges and then filtering down to the high schools. It was a function of the Baby Boomers reaching puberty at the same time. By the late 1960s, American sexual behavior was similar to France or Sweden.
The battle over abortion started in the states where legislatures, fearing the power of the churches, handed the issue to the people via referendum. The voters spoke, and abortion restrictions fell in state after state via the initiative and referendum mechanisms.
The battle royale was New York state where it had to be fought in the legislature because New York doesn't use the initiative mechanism and only uses the referendum mechanism to ratify bond issues. This was a knock-down drag-out brawl that played out at family dinner tables. The legislature loosened restrictions, and Gov. Rockefeller signed them into law. Abortion opponents threatened consequences at the next election but only showed how toothless they were when nothing happened.
The US Supreme Court should have stayed out of it by refusing to grant cert to Roe v. Wade and should have punted it back to the Texas state courts. But having created a national right to abortion, two generations of women came to believe they possessed that right. They were relieved to have abortion as a backstop for sexual freedom, and men were relieved to have the abortion eraser handy for the same reason. Having experienced sexual freedom, people are loathe to give it up, so you need to have a good reason to take away what people perceive as a right.
Most arguments against abortion are based on religious belief. Catholics used to be the largest faith in America, but now Unbelief has replaced them as Number One. Unbelief is also the fastest growing "religion" in America. For many, God the Hairy Thunderer has been replaced by God the Cosmic Muffin. It’s hard to make an effective religious argument when so many have put organized religion aside for a secular or somewhat “spiritual” approach.
To end abortion, you need to convince people to end sexual freedom, erase the 1960s and return to an earlier frame of morality. That’s a hard sell. Once the cat is out of the bag, it's hard to push it back in.
Ohio, too.
You lose when you even say the word, “abortion” now..the progressives have turned the issue into “health care”. Abortion is not contraception.
We should use Hegelian dialect phraseology with “safe, legal and rare” .
Now is it worth overturning Roe vs Wade? Right now, I'll have to say no.
John Roberts was right. Even though I don't really agree with him.
Abortion has been the dominant dim issue for decades. Why is this a surprise?
I’ve said it for years, women don’t want to give up the legal right to murder another person. They all want to be more than equal, to do things men and other citizens cannot. They want equality when its beneficial for them, and exceptions and exemptions and special privileges, when it doesn’t. To give up playing God - nope they don’t want to do that.
It was worth it. Most people are against it. That demographic has shifted that way over the decades. It was a nationwide-level pox/stain on our country.
50+ million could have been Americans isn’t merely summed up as being a not worth it political issue.
Abortion is a direct reflection of irresponsible immorality. I wouldn't care if people wanted to utilize their private parts til they were worn to a nub IF (1) they kept it private and (2) they took steps to prevent conceiving an unwanted consequence of their actions, i.e., a baby. Using abortion as a Plan B is wrong. The fact that immoral irresponsible America has made the right to kill an unwanted byproduct of mindless lust a major requirement of its politicians' positions shows how far we have fallen. It is therefore no surprise that we have perverts in our public schools and colleges holding the positions of "educators" and brainwashing our kids with their immorality, their hatred of our country, and the attitude that the world owes you a living. It is all part of a degenerate trend in Americans which is worsening by the generation.
Not true.
I understand your framing of the issue. I absolutely do.
Problem is, I cannot roll back how I feel about this issue. I just cannot.
The way I see it, the journey from conception to birth is on a spectrum, a line.
Many reasonable people might say: “Okay, if an ovum is fertilized and splits once, I don’t have any objection to doing something to stop it there. I don’t see that as murder.”
The same people might also say: “And if a fully formed baby in the womb is one minute away from journeying through the birth canal to this life, ending that pregnancy with one minute to beginning the birth is the ending of a fully formed and congnizant human being. I would see that as murder.”
The problem is, it is a spectrum.
So, some people would say “Okay, if we end that pregnancy at one week post conception, is that murder? Or, how about if we end the pregnancy when the baby is at eight months...is that murder?”
And so on.
And the fight will go on. And there will be people who will choose to end a pregnancy one minute before birth begins, which many reasonable people would call “murder” as I would, but they call it “Freedom”.
I cannot bring myself to compromise on this issue. I just cannot. If it means that we cannot obtain a government that is conservative, and are doomed to that Road To Serfdom and tyranny to which Leftism ALWAYS leads, then that is where I have to go.
I know I am not alone in this, so...that likely means we will never have conservatives running our government ever again.
“All of you that have NOT been aborted - Vote For Me!”
Wait...WHUT?
Democrats gotta kill them babies!
Margaret Sanger’s lifelong goal of ridding the world of black babies and anyone else ‘not up to snuff’ appears to be bulletproof. :(
“No, it is hurting us because the ability to slaughter their children in the womb has become the defining empowerment of too many women from all walks of life.”
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You make a good point. A lot of men want abortion legal and sex without consquences, too.
How do we expect God to bless this nation if we slaughter the most vulnerable?
Right. because there is nothing more important in this world than someone’s gonads. /s
Roe was a bullshit decision. It was judicial adventurism that lasted fifty years too long.
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