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Russia Vows to Punish Ukraine for Attack on Civilian Tanker
Newsmax ^ | August 5, 2023 | Rooters

Posted on 08/05/2023 11:08:19 AM PDT by Navy Patriot

Russia said on Saturday it would punish Ukraine for using a sea drone to attack a civilian tanker near the Kerch Strait in what it said was a "terrorist act" that threatened the lives of the crew and risked "a large-scale environmental disaster."

Both sides said on Saturday that a Ukrainian sea drone full of explosives had struck a Russian fuel tanker overnight near a bridge linking Russia to annexed Crimea, the second such attack in 24 hours.

Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said that Moscow would retaliate.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; Russia; Ukraine; War
KEYWORDS: civilian; ecologicaldisaster; environmental; russia; terrorism; terrorist; ukraine; vlad; zelenskyqs
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To: drop 50 and fire for effect

According to Putin, every time Ukraine shoots back it is a terrorist act.


61 posted on 08/05/2023 2:03:49 PM PDT by devere
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Congress...spending like a drunken sailor.


62 posted on 08/05/2023 2:05:49 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Navy Patriot

Yep.


63 posted on 08/05/2023 2:07:39 PM PDT by SkyDancer (If At First You Don't Suceed, Well So Much For Skydiving ~)
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To: philman_36

https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/cia-entfuehrungsopfer-khaled-el-masri-ein-irreparabel-beschaedigtes-leben-a-dab1d996-e8d4-4ed4-951d-cf3ec5840cad

Kidnapping, torture, and that’s in 2003 by us. But it’s just anecdotal.

Does stripping folks naked and taking pictures of them, beating them repeatedly, shoving things into their rectum, depriving them of sleep, count as torture?

Then: “They had mistaken him for someone with the same name,” and after 2 months of torture, so that we don’t look like asses, dropped him off in the middle of no where in the Balkans since if we take him back to Germany/Austria you run into issues of aircraft and folks being traceable.

Let me ask again, if we don’t follow any rules, what exactly separates us from the folks we held at GITMO?


64 posted on 08/05/2023 2:08:35 PM PDT by Red6
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To: devere
According to Putin, every time Ukraine shoots back
it is a terrorist act.


65 posted on 08/05/2023 2:09:48 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Navy Patriot

Just the day before a “Civilian” Assault Ship was attacked by the same band of pirates>


66 posted on 08/05/2023 2:16:26 PM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again," )
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To: faucetman

Rules for warfare? Got it. I’m sure both sides (US and Russia) have broken the “rules”.


67 posted on 08/05/2023 2:18:00 PM PDT by TermLimits4All ("If you stand for nothing, you'll fall for anything.")
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To: Red6
Does stripping folks naked and taking pictures of them, beating them repeatedly, shoving things into their rectum, depriving them of sleep, count as torture?

Are you asking if I would consider those things things torture?
I would say...the level of violence I would be willing to commit and not feel guilty over it
would greatly depend on how vital the information I'm trying to get is.

But that's just me.


68 posted on 08/05/2023 2:18:36 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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69 posted on 08/05/2023 2:22:58 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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70 posted on 08/05/2023 2:29:07 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36
Double-mint gum...things things.
Something to chew on.
71 posted on 08/05/2023 2:35:05 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Red6
Let me ask again, if we don’t follow any rules, what exactly separates us from the folks we held at GITMO?


Winning!

72 posted on 08/05/2023 2:42:18 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36
"Till the lake runs dry."

And like Lake Mead in this country, that's when the bodies start showing up.

73 posted on 08/05/2023 2:43:43 PM PDT by mass55th (“Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway.” ― John Wayne)
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To: Navy Patriot

And civilian churches? Apartments? children?


74 posted on 08/05/2023 2:44:23 PM PDT by spintreebob (ki .h g)
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To: Red6
You DID say... if we don’t follow any rules,,,
75 posted on 08/05/2023 2:46:46 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

My bad...did the nurse mix up your meds again?


76 posted on 08/05/2023 2:48:10 PM PDT by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera)
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To: Red6
Let me ask again...

That's the problem with asking again.
You didn't get the clue the first time.

77 posted on 08/05/2023 2:50:08 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: mac_truck
My bad...did the nurse mix up your meds again?

No need. Dr. Feelgood With Lyrics

78 posted on 08/05/2023 2:52:49 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory | The Candy Man Can ...
79 posted on 08/05/2023 3:01:25 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

And if the enemy sees it the same way you do, that fulfilling his need to attain actionable intelligence justifies whatever means necessary if deemed important enough, what does that mean to our soldiers, our spies, our citizens?

Truth is, you do NOT believe that. No one does. People only support your position when they believe they can do this to others with impunity.

This is merely an argument of convenience used when in a position of advantage.

If it’s Japan in WWII, Korea or Vietnam and US service men are being tortured, then of course this argument is no longer valid in our eyes, and I can find you an endless list of articles, testimony, speeches, books to this end from our side.

We are today very close to becoming that which we once stood against. Maybe it’s the consequence of a unipolar world where there is not equal to us (you tend to use whatever advantage you have and we are militarily #1). Maybe it is partially caused by the erosion of morals in our society. Maybe it is partially driven by our global economic interests today (post WWII and especially in the 60s onward we went global). The emergence of the corporate media conglomerates and government mass censorship surely play a role. Finally, a society distracted by such nonsense as climate change, BLM, or LGBTQIA that is disinterested in vital issues plays a role. But whatever degree any one cause might be, our development is one of becoming a pariah even though we see ourselves as the good guys.

I know it sounds tough, like something Eastwood would say, but this is not something which gives us a moral high ground, buys us favor i.e. friends and allies, nor is it something that when the pendulum swings the other way we would like done to us.

Truth rests in consistency.


80 posted on 08/05/2023 3:03:23 PM PDT by Red6
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