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To: Red6
Does stripping folks naked and taking pictures of them, beating them repeatedly, shoving things into their rectum, depriving them of sleep, count as torture?

Are you asking if I would consider those things things torture?
I would say...the level of violence I would be willing to commit and not feel guilty over it
would greatly depend on how vital the information I'm trying to get is.

But that's just me.


68 posted on 08/05/2023 2:18:36 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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69 posted on 08/05/2023 2:22:58 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36
Double-mint gum...things things.
Something to chew on.
71 posted on 08/05/2023 2:35:05 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

And if the enemy sees it the same way you do, that fulfilling his need to attain actionable intelligence justifies whatever means necessary if deemed important enough, what does that mean to our soldiers, our spies, our citizens?

Truth is, you do NOT believe that. No one does. People only support your position when they believe they can do this to others with impunity.

This is merely an argument of convenience used when in a position of advantage.

If it’s Japan in WWII, Korea or Vietnam and US service men are being tortured, then of course this argument is no longer valid in our eyes, and I can find you an endless list of articles, testimony, speeches, books to this end from our side.

We are today very close to becoming that which we once stood against. Maybe it’s the consequence of a unipolar world where there is not equal to us (you tend to use whatever advantage you have and we are militarily #1). Maybe it is partially caused by the erosion of morals in our society. Maybe it is partially driven by our global economic interests today (post WWII and especially in the 60s onward we went global). The emergence of the corporate media conglomerates and government mass censorship surely play a role. Finally, a society distracted by such nonsense as climate change, BLM, or LGBTQIA that is disinterested in vital issues plays a role. But whatever degree any one cause might be, our development is one of becoming a pariah even though we see ourselves as the good guys.

I know it sounds tough, like something Eastwood would say, but this is not something which gives us a moral high ground, buys us favor i.e. friends and allies, nor is it something that when the pendulum swings the other way we would like done to us.

Truth rests in consistency.


80 posted on 08/05/2023 3:03:23 PM PDT by Red6
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