or an arms dealer
Or both!
Posted on 08/05/2023 11:08:19 AM PDT by Navy Patriot
Russia said on Saturday it would punish Ukraine for using a sea drone to attack a civilian tanker near the Kerch Strait in what it said was a "terrorist act" that threatened the lives of the crew and risked "a large-scale environmental disaster."
Both sides said on Saturday that a Ukrainian sea drone full of explosives had struck a Russian fuel tanker overnight near a bridge linking Russia to annexed Crimea, the second such attack in 24 hours.
Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said that Moscow would retaliate.
(Excerpt) Read more at newsmax.com ...
Sounds like a bureaucrat.
or an arms dealer
Da Bears! /silhouette recognition /Ditka
Russia's Tu-95 Bear Is a Monster You Never Want to See
RINGING ANY BELLS?
Being a POW isn’t something folks look forward to. There are isolated cases of abuse on all sides and there are examples of those on our side as well. BUT the Germans as a policy took POWs, fed them, medically provided for them, housed them...
The Germans held ~94,000 US POW and they did report on their capture, allowed for correspondence, even packages, allowed red cross access, did allow for a chain of command and self regulation, did not systemically torture, murder etc.
It was not until wars end where things became horrible for POWs, and that was not a result of the Germans falling apart, they were “kaput”: i.e. Germans had no food either, Germans saw diseases spread, had folks with no roof over the head, a lack of clothing, shoes, in some cases not follow rules (lawlessness/chaos), you had bodies in the streets, cities were rubble and order and discipline even among the remenents of the Wehrmacht were breaking down.
By wars end, Germany was depleted and it’s a little unrealistic to believe that our POW are going to get fed well and have decent medical care if the Germans themselves are starving and you have TB, typhus... breakouts.
One of the incidents where the most US POW died was when we decided to bomb Dresden, at wars end. It was German policy to send POW to the opposite side of the war, that is why we liberated a lot of Poles, Russians, and the Russians liberated a lot of Americans and Brits...
If you actually care to know anything about this other that the Hollywood imaginary version of the truth staring Brad Pitt who destroys an entire German SS battalion by himself, you might want to read some of what Kurt Vonngut (a US POW) wrote: https://www.americanacademy.de/event/kurt-vonnegut-how-being-in-the-firebombing-of-dresden-as-a-prisoner-of-war-shaped-his-vision-and-work/.
It was in the firebombing of Dresden (a non-military target: no military bases, no military industry) where some of the most US POWs died, at our own hands.
Firebombing of Dresden: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden_in_World_War_II
Back to the topic:
If you talk about mal treatment of US POW in WWII, Korea, Vietnam but then advocate for no rules today, that’s inconsistent. It simply shows that “might makes right” and in fact our actions abroad show that this is indeed what we have become. We are no longer the good guys except in our own mind where we still want to pretend as if expeditionary wars we start, that are for economic reasons, are moral (we like to use slogans like democracy, human rights, sovereignty even though we are one of the worst culprits in violating these ideas today: PRC who we helped create as the power today, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, our own CIA programs).
While our government surely only represents the interests of a small few and has become at best amoral, at least at an individual level attempt to stay consistent and moral.
You set up the parameters under which you're postulating!
64 - Let me ask again, if we don’t follow any rules, what exactly separates us from the folks we held at GITMO?
Don't blame others if their own postulations aren't to your liking.
What about other boats?
It would be interesting to know if this isn’t just a common practice when heading into waters where getting shot at is a risk.
Sure,
If we do it, it’s right, because our cause is the right cause.
If there are no rules as you postulated, you're correct.
It seems like you would be happy.
You won the discussion.
There are 2 key differences between liberals and conservatives.
The conservative voter usually:
1. Have a moral compass, i.e. God and the Bible still play a role in decision making, example Cruz, Huckabee, etc. There is a need for true legitimacy.
2. Tend to be less global, interventionist, and still have a more national and flavor of isolationism, example Rand/Ron Paul.
US-Mexican war: Polk, Democrat
WWI: Woodrow Wilson, Democrat
WWII: FDR, Democrat
Vietnam: Kennedy, Democrat
Ukraine today and Syria, Libya, Venezuela: Obama and today part II under Biden, Democrat
And here is the irony. On the world stage, even in our own media, it’s the more conservative candidate that is seen as the “saber rattler, cowboy, etc.”
May it be Reagan or Trump, the news talked about them getting us into protracted wars and warned us about the instability which would ensue if they were elected. But quite the contrary is the case in reality. The Republican party still has a flavor or morality and nationalism/isolationism as part of them, and while they tend to be strong on defense, they are more reluctant to get us tangled up in conflicts.
Democrats have no problem using the military in furthering economic interests, getting tangled up in expeditionary wars... The concept of the military being there for “defense” gets lost in their secular world philosophy, pleasing the economic interests which prop them up, and a globalist world view.
It’s not Trump that got us tangled up in a war in Syria, Libya, Venezuela and Ukraine - all targeting Russia.
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“I can understand your frustration.”
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The frustration is only felt by the Kremlin at the moment.
- Putin with his “big mighty Russia” was supposed to steal little Ukraine in about 7 days... Well... 18 months and 250.000 dead russians later (and/or severely injured), a great part of the most vital components of its Black Sea navy destroyed, isolated from the civilized world, a Ruble wich has now become impossible to artificially sustain anymore (it lost 64% of its value in last calendar year), Interest rates set to 9,5% in desperate move to battle inflation... Russia has also become a whore to China, and the Islamic State of Iran. They basically lost the Russian port Vladivostok to China... after 160 years, of a russian NIET.
But best of all. Putin’s miscalculations have reconstructed and VASTLY expanded NATO which now includes Finland and Sweden. Without Putn, that would have been unimaginable not so long ago.
And Russias army has been quite depleted.
I think the word “frustration” is not a word strong enough to describe what the deep-state warmongers are feeling right now in the Kremlin.
“How about including dates for each of these. Just listing things isn’t providing complete info.?”
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The list is based on what Trump did during his presidency.
It’s all verifiable on the internet. You can Google it.
No American President has done so many things against Russia in peace times as Trump has. He was indeed the “toughest on Russia”, as Trump often said to the media.
George Walker Bush on the other hand, was rather close to Putin. He even invited Putin to his ranch!
Thus, logically, I would recommend the dozens of pro-Putin people here on FR to support the Bush family instead, not Trump.
As an anti-neo-Soviet, anti-Kremlin, but pro-russian and Ukrainian-people, I will evidently continue to support Trump. Indeed, we need tough policies against the Swamp in the Kremlin.
I find it interesting how the Neocon Cheerleader is trying to get us to think that Trump would have authorized US involvement the Ukraine War (otherwise why post this crap). Very strange approach.
You get a line I’ll get a pole, honey...
It’s an attempt at a persuasive argument?
The US government IS prostituting the Dollar, the negative effect is borne by Americans and the American economy, not Russia, and it will be final.
“Russia Vows to Punish Ukraine for Attack on Civilian Tanker”
Talk is cheap, Vlad.
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