Posted on 07/30/2023 11:01:39 AM PDT by RomanSoldier19
Ford Motor recently announced it is slashing prices on its F-150 Lightning, an electric vehicle the company rolled out in 2021.
The Lightning now carries a suggested retail price of $49,995, about $10,000 lower than its previous recommended price tag ($59,974), a reduction the company says is possible because of lower “battery raw material costs and continued work on scaling production and cost.”
It’s certainly possible that reduced overhead from battery minerals and production costs played a role in Ford’s decision to trim its price tag by nearly 20 percent, but that may be only half the story.
Several reports show EVs are not exactly flying off dealership lots. In fact, there’s a glut of them.
(Excerpt) Read more at chathamjournal.com ...
Yes it is true when I bought my new car the dealership was trying push the EV on me and started the EV conversation with the people with the highest credit scores always buy electric. I was like nice try no sale what else do you have?
My theory on how to end any product is to have it painted with graphics of Dylan Mulvaney. Put a bunch out as NASCAR Pace cars. Kinda how they killed the Fiero.
People cannot afford the repairs/maintenance on these vehicles.
Lack of charging stations throughout the country.
Political leanings some, but the cost and convenience chief among them.
If you live in a small town, not a charging station for hours.
Ford has its new Edsel.
The EV.
You see three Tony’s Towing Service trucks in your rear view mirror. His generators running with wires going into three cars 50 yards behind you. After a few hours, your feet are numb, and you wish you had a space blanket in your car.
Electricity ain’t a portable fuel source.
“hybrids are the best and safest way to go,”
Hybrids have the highest rate of fires, even higher than ICE cars.
“I have never seen a good cost breakdown of electric vs. gas powered cars.
For example, they say how much you save on gas, because you never get gas in an electric car. But how much does the electricity cost you? That’s what I have never seen broken out.”
How many times are you going to post that nonsense!
“Also, what about having to replace costly battery packs? Some people say it will happen every 5 years, but I’ve heard you might get 10 years. I don’t know any details, just what I’ve heard.”
Data shows batteries are lasting longer than expected. One even went over a million miles.
Based on annual mileage estimates provided by the Department of Transportation (DOT), the average car owner can expect to spend between 22 and 37 years behind the wheel.
According to CleanTechnica, one Tesla Model S owner has racked up more than a million miles behind the wheel. Even though the Tesla battery has held up, the owner has replaced the Tesla motor several times.
https://engineerine.com/tesla-battery-range/
“I’ve heard you save on oil changes and other routine maintenance, but have never seen that broken out.”
Now you can never again make your claims:
https://www.hotcars.com/how-much-ev-owners-save-in-service-costs-compared-to-ices/
Why do these articles and the accompanying comments almost completely ignore the recent Tesla market and technical advances?
Almost all non-Tesla EVs have significant challenges in costs, performance and charging network capabilities when traveling. Normal local use includes at-home charging overnight and is virtually a non-issue.
The discussion points concerning battery life and replacement are generally not accurate for Tesla’s. I have a friend who has a ten-year old Model S. The first 3 -4 years after new is when the range drops the most. But thereafter there has been virtually no change in range for many years. The range is still above 85% of the range when new, and there is no reason nor need to change the battery in this case.
You do have to keep charging in mind when traveling away from home, but Tesla drivers do this routinely with virtually no problem. On the other hand, the non-Tesla charging options on the road are - basically - pathetic.
Where I live, in a smallish urban area, it has gone from a rarity to see a Tesla, to being a common every-day occurrence over the past three years.
Finally, the Tesla Model Y was the #1 selling sedan in the US in the first half of 2023, at about 190,500 vehicles sold. The #2 selling sedan in the US was the Toyota Corolla at about 150,700 cars sold.
Worldwide, the Tesla Model Y was also the #1 selling car for Q1-2023, at 267,200 sold in the three-month period. The Toyota Corolla (all variants and trims) was #2, having sold 256,400 in the quarter.
This is noteworthy inasmuch as the Corolla was the worldwide #1 selling car in 1974 for the first time, and has been the #1 seller for many years until replaced by Tesla this year.
“People cannot afford the repairs/maintenance on these vehicles.”
Fewer parts to fix on EVs means lower maintenance
“[Electric vehicles are] going to starve a lot of people out of this industry,” predicted Sam Cicinelli, a former automotive technician and union official for the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/auto-industry-future-electric-will-mechanics-be-out-of-work/
The damage to roads by different types of vehicles is pretty well researched and understood.
The damage-to-weight ratio actually scales with the 4th(!) power. Twice as heavy = 2x2x2x2 = 16 times the damage. Four times as heavy = 4x4x4x4 = 256 times the damage. It ramps up very quickly!
One full size truck does as much damage as 100,000 compact cars. Or, put another way, lightweight cars do not cause any appreciable damage.
So yes, expect roads to get literally pounded by all those heavy EVs.
Is she wearing Jordash jeans with cuffs? She makes really bad choices.
There are lies on both sides, so any breakdown of costs is suspicious.
Battery packs can last a long time, up to 20 years. If they are charged correctly. Some people believe they can fast-charge with abandon in high-temp days; that could shorten battery life to 5 years. Currently, replacement costs are high but are quickly coming down as the market matures.
There is little maintenance required on an EV. However, it is still a car prone to all the body and chassis problems of gas powered cars. Tires still need to be aligned and replaced. Suspension components can still break, chassis lubing needs to be done at some point. And the under-chassis can rust due to dirt and salt water exposure. Some people believe no maintenance of EV's is required. But after many thousands of miles, the under-chassis can fall apart, and worse is if the battery casing rusts and allows water intrusion.
As for bigger capital costs, EV's are simply very expensive and not for cost-conscious consumers, at least not for the next few years. Unless you carefully maintain an EV, your cost savings versus an ICE vehicle won't be recouped in the first few years. ICE vehicles can be very expensive when they start breaking down after 5 years, more so than what it would cost to replace an EV battery pack.
Don't believe the hype on either side, and buy what suits you after doing some homework.
Anyway, the number of reported fires was so huge that the cars had to be recalled. One Fiero exploded out of every 508 cars sold. However, the Director of GM explained in his recall notification letter to NHTSA that improper owner maintenance and service procedures were the only causes of engine fires and there wasn’t any possible design flaw on their part (of course).
https://www.hotcars.com/heres-why-the-pontiac-fiero-was-discontinued/
One problem with EV’s, among many, is the tires and their price. The EV is heavier and requires tires for the load range so they’re pricier. A lot of older parking garages are posting prohibiting EV’s because the building wasn’t designed for the extra weight. One of the car shows put the three hosts in EV’s and within the first few minutes each one became worried about having enough range and where they could charge up if needed. Add in the fact that even a minor accident will total the car if the battery pack is damaged at all. You don’t repair the battery pack, you replace it. Stories are piling up about EV’s in salvage yards suddenly igniting even if they were untouched for weeks. We don’t have the capacity to recycle the batteries yet either. The time for the EV is not here yet.
Ford recalls over 870,000 F-150 trucks in US
Ford Motor Company is conducting a recall of hundreds of thousands of F-150 trucks in the U.S. that could potentially experience a wiring-related problem with their electric parking brakes.
FORD RECALLING 125K VEHICLES DUE TO ENGINE ISSUES THAT COULD CAUSE FIRES
https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/ford-recalls-over-870000-f-150-trucks-us
What percentage of existing homes in this country have a 200A service?
6. They are boutique cars with a now saturated market.
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