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Even the Trotskyites are calling BS on the western propaganda machine.

My musician buddy sent me this thinking he was telling me something new...

1 posted on 07/25/2023 11:54:42 AM PDT by Mariner
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To: Mariner
The Walter Duranty Times, home of lie-spewing fabulists since 1930.
2 posted on 07/25/2023 11:56:14 AM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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“Kramer puts forth the astonishing claim that World War II started with the Soviet Union’s invasion of Poland”

Well it was the combined Soviet-German invasion of Poland, but yes, that was the point of no return, since it forced Britain into the war, as they were allied with Poland, and once Britain was in the war, then France was dragged in as well.


4 posted on 07/25/2023 12:10:01 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Mariner

Everybody knows it started when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.


5 posted on 07/25/2023 12:11:15 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Mariner

Would Nazi Germany have invaded Poland absent the Nazi-Russia non-aggression pact? Did not Russia participate in the invasion of Poland which started World War Two?

The Nazis betrayed their Russian allies and the West were fools for supporting Russia instead of letting the two dictatorships bleed each other white. The West compounded the injustice by letting Russia seize half of Europe after the war.


7 posted on 07/25/2023 12:15:10 PM PDT by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism. )
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Well, if the Communists hadn’t been trying to overthrow the Weimar Republic, Hitler would have died a starving artist.


9 posted on 07/25/2023 12:16:13 PM PDT by Chad C. Mulligan
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To: Mariner
Well now that Schicklegruber is a swell guy, perhaps the left will stop screaming that every Republican presidential candidate is literally Hitler.

And now that the Holocaust is a nothing burger, maybe they'll stop smearing Gutfeld.

15 posted on 07/25/2023 12:23:12 PM PDT by Sirius Lee (They intend to murder us. Prep if you want to live and live like you are prepping for eternal life)
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Yes. Russia had all that arable land just sitting there. Russia unfairly enticed poor defenseless good ol’ party animal Hitler to attack it. Yep. That’s the ticket.


18 posted on 07/25/2023 1:45:16 PM PDT by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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To: Mariner
" makes no mention of either the Holocaust or the Nazi war of annihilation against the Soviet people"

The NYT article is at https://archive.is/fGT6T. Kramer did not mention the holocaust or the losses Russia had during WW-II, because he was not writing about them. He was writing only about the military campaigns and the parallels the current war has to WW-II. He wrote about a complete different subject than what Mackaman at WWW is. To know that would mean actually looking up and reading the NYT article.

On top of this, Mackman falsifies what Kramer wrote. Mackman claims Kramer wrote:

"World War II began in what is now Ukraine in 1939 with a Soviet invasion into territory then controlled by Poland in western Ukraine, at a time when the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany were in a military alliance. When that pact broke down in 1941, Germany attacked and fought from west to east across Ukraine."
What Kramer wrote:

World War II reached what is now Ukraine in 1939 with a Soviet invasion into territory then controlled by Poland in western Ukraine, at a time when the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany were in a military alliance. When that pact broke down in 1941, Germany attacked Ukraine from west to east.
Changing the single word of "reached to "began" changes the entire meaning of what Kramer wrote. The rest of the article is built off this fabrication.

Because as we should all know by now, commies lie, and lie badly.

19 posted on 07/25/2023 2:32:08 PM PDT by Widget Jr (🇺🇦 Слава Україні! 🇺🇦 Sláva Ukrayíni! 🇺🇦 ☭ No CCCP 2.0 ☭)
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To: Mariner

Well, duh, don’t you know there was never a Holocaust and no one died. Or so we’ve been told in recent years.

Nevermind my great-uncle was messed up after taking troops in to, uh, clean up a concentration camp. He eventually ended his life.


21 posted on 07/25/2023 2:57:58 PM PDT by bgill
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To: Mariner

Hitler invaded Czech and Austria before he invaded Poland.


22 posted on 07/25/2023 7:06:09 PM PDT by xzins (Retired US Army chaplain. Support our troops by praying for their victory. )
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To: Mariner
In its latest foray into the realm of historical falsification, ...


 



 
Eerily familiar...
 
 

Party ownership of the print media
made it easy to manipulate public opinion,
and the film and radio carried the process further.


 



16. Ministry Of Truth

.......

The Ministry of Truth, Winston's place of work, contained, it was said, three thousand rooms above ground level, and corresponding ramifications below.

The Ministry of Truth concerned itself with Lies. Party ownership of the print media made it easy to manipulate public opinion, and the film and radio carried the process further.

The primary job of the Ministry of Truth was to supply the citizens of Oceania with newspapers, films, textbooks, telescreen programmes, plays, novels - with every conceivable kind of information, instruction, or entertainment, from a statue to a slogan, from a lyric poem to a biological treatise, and from a child's spelling-book to a Newspeak dictionary.

Winston worked in the RECORDS DEPARTMENT (a single branch of the Ministry of Truth) editing and writing for The Times. He dictated into a machine called a speakwrite. Winston would receive articles or news-items which for one reason or another it was thought necessary to alter, or, in Newspeak, rectify. If, for example, the Ministry of Plenty forecast a surplus, and in reality the result was grossly less, Winston's job was to change previous versions so the old version would agree with the new one. This process of continuous alteration was applied not only to newspapers, but to books, periodicals, pamphlets, posters, leaflets, films, sound-tracks, cartoons, photographs - to every kind of literature or documentation which might conceivably hold any political or ideological significance.

When his day's work started, Winston pulled the speakwrite towards him, blew the dust from its mouthpiece, and put on his spectacles. He dialed 'back numbers' on the telescreen and called for the appropriate issues of The Times, which slid out of the pneumatic tube after only a few minutes' delay. The messages he had received referred to articles or news-items which for one reason or another it was thought necessary to rectify.

In the walls of the cubicle there were three orifices. To the right of the speakwrite, a small pneumatic tube for written messages; to the left, a larger one for newspapers; and on the side wall, within easy reach of Winston's arm, a large oblong slit protected by a wire grating. This last was for the disposal of waste paper. Similar slits existed in thousands or tens of thousands throughout the building, not only in every room but at short intervals in every corridor. For some reason they were nicknamed memory holes. When one knew that any document was due for destruction, or even when one saw a scrap of waste paper lying about, it was an automatic action to lift the flap of the nearest memory hole and drop it in, whereupon it would be whirled away on a current of warm air to the enormous furnaces which were hidden somewhere in the recesses of the building.

As soon as Winston had dealt with each of the messages, he clipped his speakwritten corrections to the appropriate copy of The Times and pushed them into the pneumatic tube. Then, with a movement which was as nearly as possible unconscious, he crumpled up the original message and any notes that he himself had made, and dropped them into the memory hole to be devoured by the flames.

What happened in the unseen labyrinth to which the tubes led, he did not know in detail, but he did know in general terms. As soon as all the corrections which happened to be necessary in any particular number of The Times had been assembled and collated, that number would be reprinted, the original copy destroyed, and the corrected copy placed on the files in its stead.

In the cubicle next to him the little woman with sandy hair toiled day in day out, simply at tracking down and deleting from the Press the names of people who had been vaporized and were therefore considered never to have existed. And this hall, with its fifty workers or thereabouts, was only one-sub-section, a single cell, as it were, in the huge complexity of the Records Department. Beyond, above, below, were other swarms of workers engaged in an unimaginable multitude of jobs.

There were huge printing-shops and their sub editors, their typography experts, and their elaborately equipped studios for the faking of photographs. There was the tele-programmes section with its engineers, its producers and its teams of actors specially chosen for their skill in imitating voices; clerks whose job was simply to draw up lists of books and periodicals which were due for recall; vast repositories where the corrected documents were stored; and the hidden furnaces where the original copies were destroyed.

And somewhere or other, quite anonymous, there were the directing brains who co-ordinated the whole effort and laid down the lines of policy which made it necessary that this fragment of the past should be preserved, that one falsified, and the other rubbed out of existence.

 
 


23 posted on 07/25/2023 7:58:45 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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Did you study history at all? Without the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, there is no war. Hitler was never willing to expose his Eastern flank, by going West.


35 posted on 07/28/2023 2:55:38 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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