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Trump Warns Democrats About Sending Him to Prison
Townhall ^ | 07/22/2023 | Sarah Arnold

Posted on 07/22/2023 9:07:51 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: MountainWalker

You all know that they are railroading our President Trump and nobody, including you is doing anything to stop it. You, as in All Y’all.


41 posted on 07/23/2023 6:44:13 AM PDT by armourenthusiast (I capitalize everything related to South)
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To: SeekAndFind

BY RIAZAT BUTT
Published 1:07 PM CDT, May 11, 2023

ISLAMABAD (AP) — Pakistan is witnessing a wave of violence following the arrest of popular opposition leader and former Prime Minister Imran Khan on corruption charges. The level of unrest has not been seen since 2007, when another former premier — Benazir Bhutto — was assassinated during an election campaign.

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If Trump were to be jailed, probably every conservative leader would be cowed and advise people to remain calm — since we are a nation of laws, don’t you know.

Yes, and we are governed by cadre of destroyers who count on us being a nation of laws; that allows their illegality to flourish, and we will be submissive, even when ordered into the cattle cars.


42 posted on 07/23/2023 6:46:25 AM PDT by odawg
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To: odawg

I don’t think John Wayne would sit still for this.


43 posted on 07/23/2023 6:54:19 AM PDT by armourenthusiast (I capitalize everything related to South)
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To: MountainWalker

By not having the balls to fight the left, you have made your cuck opinion clear. Thanks for clearing that up for all to see.


44 posted on 07/23/2023 7:45:14 AM PDT by ohioman
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To: ohioman

Oh I have the balls to fight. I just don’t see any point in signing up to be electoral cannon fodder with Trump for a third straight election.


45 posted on 07/23/2023 8:26:31 AM PDT by MountainWalker
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To: MountainWalker

To have an understanding more complete than what is portrayed in your question, we need to acknowledge that the system you reference is smaller and weaker than presumed, and that there are other systems both more powerful and more all-compassing.


46 posted on 07/23/2023 9:33:53 AM PDT by reasonisfaith (What are the personal implications if the Resurrection of Christ is a true event in history?)
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To: SeekAndFind

A long-time supporter of Trump— avoided making any endorsements for Trump’s claims that the Georgia election was somehow interfered with.

1st DC. rule always keep one hand on the next rung of the ladder for help from any party.


47 posted on 07/23/2023 9:38:46 AM PDT by Vaduz (....)
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To: SeekAndFind

The last paragraph is total crap.


48 posted on 07/23/2023 9:41:12 AM PDT by Fledermaus (It's time to get rid of the Three McStooges; Mitch, Kevin and Ronna!)
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To: sauropod

And PRAY.


49 posted on 07/23/2023 10:00:53 AM PDT by Maris Crane
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To: NavyShoe

Probably nothing - the whole point of these criminal charges is to prevent him from getting back in the White House. If he dropped out of the race today, they would probably drop the charges.

If he loses, they have achieved their goal - they will focus on to other threats.


50 posted on 07/23/2023 12:33:03 PM PDT by enumerated (81 million votes my ass)
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To: SeekAndFind

Maybe big pharma will bail him out…. Or all those daca amnesty folks.


51 posted on 07/23/2023 12:35:40 PM PDT by momincombatboots (BQEphesians 6... who you are really at war with. )
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To: reasonisfaith
The way it worked out in the real world was Trump won the 2020 election

This sentence is Constitutional science fiction.

The “election” that Trump "won" has no Constitutional existence. The 50 State Legislatures which appoint 535 Electors (and Congress, which appoints 3) have all adopted the custom of having people voting as the means by which the appointments are normally made, but this creates 51 elections, not one.

Those 51 elections occur at the direction of, and are subservient to, 50 legislatures and Congress. The States unwisely granted Congress 3 Electors by ratifying the XXIII Amendment in 1960, so Congress does have supervisory power OVER THOSE THREE, but not otherwise.

There is only one Presidential election in the Constitution, it takes place in December, there are 538 voters, and in December 2020 Biden got 306 of them and was elected President.

No State Legislature objected that its Electors were not the ones they had appointed. No State Legislature even convened to consider the matter. In the case of Pennsylvania, the Legislature fled to avoid considering the matter.

It has never been alleged that a single one of the 306 votes for Biden/Harris was a forgery, that the Electors who casted them were impersonating someone else, or that the Legislatures had secretly appointed other Electors.

There is zero space for an allegation of fraud in the Constitutional Presidential election of December 14, 2020.

As far as the 51 elections which occurred on November 3, 2020, they may very well have been rife with fraud, but since the appointment power of the 50 State Legislatures (535) and Congress (3) is plenary, that’s a problem for those legislatures to deal with should they choose to do so.

52 posted on 07/23/2023 12:38:36 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Make the GOP illegal - everything else will follow)
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To: Jim Noble

If the US does not hold elections in November, how are electors chosen, what basis, for the actual presidential election in congress in December?


53 posted on 07/23/2023 12:45:06 PM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a Momma Deuce)
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To: going hot
If the US does not hold elections in November, how are electors chosen, what basis, for the actual presidential election in congress in December?

First of all, "the US" does not hold elections, States do. Congress was permitted to make rules for the elections of Representatives since the beginning (1788) and for Senators (since 1913), but Electors are appointed "in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct", and since 1964 "as Congress shall direct" for the 3 Electors the States unwisely gave to DC in 1960.

Any Legislature could end "voting for President and Vice President" tomorrow without offending the Constitution even a little bit.

54 posted on 07/23/2023 1:46:35 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Make the GOP illegal - everything else will follow)
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To: Jim Noble
OK, states hold elections, a given.

These results of the state elections are then conveyed, and have effect, on how electors are appointed, and how they cast the vote in congress in December.

So, what you are saying, is that there are no national elections, for Trump to win, or lose, in 2020.

The “election” that Trump "won" has no Constitutional existence. The 50 State Legislatures which appoint 535 Electors (and Congress, which appoints 3) have all adopted the custom of having people voting as the means by which the appointments are normally made, but this creates 51 elections, not one.

If fifty one people were to vote, we would certainly not call that a 51 vote election,say, fire chief of smalleville, rather, we would call it a series of 51 separate elections, one vote each?

I respectfully submit that in fact, 51 state elections, can indeed be referred to as a national election, consisting of individual states participating, their respective votes tallied and converted to votes based on the amount of reps thy have in the congress

What one chooses to call it does not change what it is, namely, an election, held on a given day (excusing the mail in and post dated votes) , by 51 states, to choose a national representative for the executive branch. OK, so they vote individually, so do the individual voters, but we do not refer to it as 145 million individual elections, decided one , by 140 million individuals,no, we refer to it as an election, comprised of the votes of the individuals participating, just as we have a national election, comprise of the 51 individual states participating.

When someone says Trump this or Trump that, referring to the results of the November election, what in fact happened to Trump was the result of actions taken on that day, in 51 individual states, by 145 million voters.

You stating that this has no constitutional existance is what, some type of display of con law?

does it change the fact that Trump won, or lost, based on votes cast in november, by individuals, in 51 states?

gotta go see a movie, will read reply later.

55 posted on 07/23/2023 2:33:32 PM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a Momma Deuce)
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To: going hot

It had great significance that responsibility for appointing the President was given to States, with no role for any Federal institution except in cases where the Electoral College did not have a majority.

I wish States took their responsibility for this process more seriously.


56 posted on 07/23/2023 2:41:18 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Make the GOP illegal - everything else will follow)
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To: Jim Noble
There is zero space for an allegation of fraud in the Constitutional Presidential election of December 14, 2020.

If that is considered a valid statement, then the corollary is that we have a constitutional system that guarantees a Democrat President for as long as this country continues to exist.

Because while the Electoral College vote that elected the President was unquestionably valid, the State elections which selected the Electors were rife with fraud. Democrat fraud.

Democrat-controlled States have enough Electoral votes to insure the outcome of the Electoral College vote in perpetuity. Six Democrat-controlled cities determine the results. The governments in those cities are not legitimately elected by votes of their residents. But when Democrats count the votes, Democrats always win the "elections".

Voters do not matter at all. Only the people who count the ballots matter. And those people make the counts add up to whatever their masters wish them to be.

The rulers "elected" by that system are self-destructive, but they are willing to destroy the rest of us before they fall.

It is not a system that can or should continue.

57 posted on 07/23/2023 5:22:31 PM PDT by flamberge (Everybody is going to hate it when we all play by the same "rules".)
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To: Jim Noble
It had great significance that responsibility for appointing the President was given to States, with no role for any Federal institution except in cases where the Electoral College did not have a majority.

It is a given that the December election contained no fraud.

Those electors were after the fact, of the fraud. They were the PRODUCT of fraud, the fraud that was perpetrated in the Nov elections, where the state electors were appointed, those same electors being fraudulently seated(appointed, assigned, whatever) by crooked controllers, secs of state, crooked state houses, and further down the chain, to the crooked lowly office worker overflowing the bathroom, then placing paper across windows so observers cannot see what is going on, (but forgetting to shut down the overhead cameras).

Who in their right mind believes these were above board processes?

So, if the view/statement is that the election for Trump was honest, because it was the December election that voted Biden in, that in and of itself is a misleading, erroneous conclusion, perhaps pure in it's wording, but certainly not in it's meaning, or conclusion.

I too, wish states would take this more seriously.

It may be up to the honest states, as a whole, to dispute and remedy the situation.

On an individual, and within a state basis, dishonesty with voting process must be rooted out, and those responsible addressed in a fashion where such action would involve great hesitation and risk of one's liberty, if not their very life.

The left screams about voter disenfranchisement when complaining about voter ID, and same day voting.

However, vote cheating, in a organized governmental action, under the protection of same, and carried out by same is the epitome of disenfranchisement, and must be eliminated, no excuse or exception.

Who has standing?

58 posted on 07/23/2023 8:14:20 PM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a Momma Deuce)
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To: MountainWalker
It’s not something that I’m happy to be right about, but I am right.

You are wrong. You can't run like child from this fight. Trump is our man so get with the program.

59 posted on 07/23/2023 8:18:40 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: MountainWalker

We couldn’t find your balls with an electron microscope.


60 posted on 07/23/2023 8:22:31 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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