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Joe Biden says Putin will have to cut a deal with Ukraine after counter-offensive losses
The Telegraph via Yahoo ^ | July 13th, 2023 | Nick Allen

Posted on 07/13/2023 6:59:43 PM PDT by Mariner

Joe Biden said that he expects Ukraine’s counter-offensive will eventually lead to negotiations to end the war with Russia.

The US president said he did not believe that Moscow could sustain the war for years, and Vladimir Putin had “already lost”.

He also warned that Yevgeny Prigozhin, the Wagner Group mercenary chief who led a failed mutiny against Putin last month, should be careful about being poisoned.

Mr Biden speaking in Helsinki, Finland, said: “Putin’s already lost the war. Putin has a real problem – how does he move from here, what does he do? There is no possibility of him winning the war in Ukraine. He’s already lost that war.”

He said he did not think that “Russia could maintain the war forever in terms of their resources or capacity”, adding that “eventually President Putin is going to decide it’s not in the interests of Russia economically, or politically or otherwise” to continue the conflict.

The president added: “My hope is, and my expectation is, you’ll see that Ukraine makes significant progress on their offensive, and that it generates a negotiated settlement somewhere along the line.”

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To: Kazan

Have you noticed that between the Zotting that took place last Sunday and judge’s ruling about the feds sticking their noses in social media, that things here have gotten quite a bit more civilized?


21 posted on 07/13/2023 7:22:42 PM PDT by BobL (Trump has all the right Enemies; DeSantis has all the wrong Friends)
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To: Mariner

President Clusterbomber


22 posted on 07/13/2023 7:23:14 PM PDT by NWFree (Sigma male 🤪)
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To: Mariner
He also warned that Yevgeny Prigozhin, the Wagner Group mercenary chief who led a failed mutiny against Putin last month, should be careful about being poisoned.

Those of us observers with 2 or more connected brain cells have been more than a little curious as to why Yevgeny Prigozhin has NOT been poisoned and NOT "jumped" off a high building, and we've been curious for the last month.

23 posted on 07/13/2023 7:26:27 PM PDT by Sooth2222 (“Toute nation a le gouvernement qu’elle mérite.” /"Every nation has the government it deserves.” )
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To: BobL

“Have you noticed that between the Zotting that took place last Sunday”

Was there a bunch of zotting?

Who got the zot?


24 posted on 07/13/2023 7:27:12 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: wiseprince
I think economically this can be a long term benefit for Russia. They are effectively out of the globalist system.

Everyone is out of the globalist system, except the West. One of the major benefits of this war is that everything possible went wrong for Schwab and Soros. They are in a much weaker position now.

25 posted on 07/13/2023 7:28:01 PM PDT by Right_Wing_Madman
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To: Mariner

Our ‘friends’: Timber Rattler and Amnestynone (likely permanent), and Uncle Lonny (for a week).


26 posted on 07/13/2023 7:28:36 PM PDT by BobL (Trump has all the right Enemies; DeSantis has all the wrong Friends)
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To: Mariner

All on this thread, too:

https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4166516/posts

I make a point of reminding the remaining troublemakers of the above when they start calling me a “Russian agent” or whatever, and so they’ve improved their behavior quite a bit...and maybe they’re actually bored to be here, since they can’t get away with bashing conservatives like they used to.


27 posted on 07/13/2023 7:34:47 PM PDT by BobL (Trump has all the right Enemies; DeSantis has all the wrong Friends)
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To: struggle

>> It will take DECADES for the left to get power back. The situation is far more precarious in the EU.

You make some interesting points. Sure hope you’re right.


28 posted on 07/13/2023 7:38:13 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Jesus is LORD and Savior! And Donald Trump is President of the United States of America.)
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To: Mariner
NATO is having a much tougher time sustaining.

Russia' economy is 1/20th the size of the U.S. alone. Then, if you add the economies of Europe to the equation, we're talking NATO, we're talking about a Russian economy being 1//40th the size of those nations combined.

So, how do you figure that it's NATO that can't sustain a longer war? Russia is sacrificing their entire economy for a piece of land which is unobtainable. Perhaps you should get together with Putin and let him know the real facts. But first, perhaps YOU need to get YOUR facts correct.
29 posted on 07/13/2023 7:38:38 PM PDT by adorno
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To: Mariner

“He also warned that Yevgeny Prigozhin, the Wagner Group mercenary chief who led a failed mutiny against Putin last month, should be careful about being poisoned.”

In the part of Texas I came from, walking around crowing about how someone should be murdered was a good way to get your own lamp blowed out. The idiot should watch his words.


30 posted on 07/13/2023 7:40:02 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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To: All

If I had to guess I would say that Russia keeps all the land currently occupied and Biden declares it a victory because Putin didn’t take the entire country. Neocons in the mass media will clap like seals and say what a great leader Biden is.


31 posted on 07/13/2023 7:40:21 PM PDT by escapefromboston (Peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none.)
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To: adorno

It has nothing to do with the size of the economy, though Russia has a substantial war material base.

It’s about political will.

And the west cannot sustain the political will necessary to outlast Russia.


32 posted on 07/13/2023 7:46:18 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner

Xoe Buy-DUNG will need a new pair of briefs after cutting his next “f@rt”.


33 posted on 07/13/2023 7:49:43 PM PDT by lightman (I am a binary Trinitarian. Deal with it!)
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To: Mariner
It has nothing to do with the size of the economy, though Russia has a substantial war material base.

It most certainly has a lot to do with the size of the economy, because a war depends upon a good/great economy to be sustained. And, it has nothing to do with the material on-hand, because, that too can run out and a good/great economy has to be available in order to keep the material coming. And, politically, it's Putin that has a lot to lose with a Russia that is depleting it's war material and killing its economy.

Russia is going to lose the war, but, for prestige and fooling pride, they have to keep fighting,, otherwise, even the Russian federation is in jeopardy.
34 posted on 07/13/2023 8:17:57 PM PDT by adorno
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To: All

OK, Who is playing games with Biden’s teleprompter?


35 posted on 07/13/2023 8:26:25 PM PDT by LegendHasIt
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To: Mariner

More stupidity from Vegetable Joe.

I have no doubt the DC bubble believes they can just turn the war off when its not going their way.


36 posted on 07/13/2023 8:39:12 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: Right_Wing_Madman; wiseprince

The sanctions hae worked amazingly - for Russia

Putin has been trying to get them weaned off imported Western injustrial and consumer electronics as well as close down Globohomo decadence vectors such as OnlyFans, Pornhub etc

The Western sanctions does it for him !


37 posted on 07/13/2023 8:48:10 PM PDT by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: adorno

“Russia’ economy is 1/20th the size of the U.S. alone. Then, if you add the economies of Europe to the equation, we’re talking NATO, we’re talking about a Russian economy being 1//40th the size of those nations combined.”

Then why is Russia’s economy doing JUST FINE, while Europe is entering a deep recession, and we’re on the verge of entering our own recession? And why is it that both Biden and Blinken are saying that we’re out of 155 munitions, when Russia is lobbing their own 152s, non-stop, at a far higher rate than NATO ever could? And why is the NATO Leadership saying to Ukraine that they’re out of weapons?

I’ll get you a hint:

https://www.dragstoryhour.org/


38 posted on 07/13/2023 9:02:53 PM PDT by BobL (Trump has all the right Enemies; DeSantis has all the wrong Friends)
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To: Mariner

“It has nothing to do with the size of the economy, though Russia has a substantial war material base.”

We basically shut down production of military hardware when the Cold War ended. Plus, being that we had reached “The End of History”, we also shutdown the capability to produce weapons in anything beyond a trickle.

So when Raytheon needed to find people to build more Stinger Missiles, they had to raid the nursing homes in the Boston area - to hire-back the people who built the stingers.


39 posted on 07/13/2023 9:06:13 PM PDT by BobL (Trump has all the right Enemies; DeSantis has all the wrong Friends)
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To: Mariner

“It has nothing to do with the size of the economy, though Russia has a substantial war material base.”

We basically shut down production of military hardware when the Cold War ended. Plus, being that we had reached “The End of History”, we also shutdown the capability to produce weapons in anything beyond a trickle.

So when Raytheon needed to find people to build more Stinger Missiles, they had to raid the nursing homes in the Boston area - to hire-back the people who built the stingers.


40 posted on 07/13/2023 9:06:48 PM PDT by BobL (Trump has all the right Enemies; DeSantis has all the wrong Friends)
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