”Tell me more....”
Posted on 07/09/2023 2:17:17 PM PDT by delta7
There’s no American anti-war movement in the Vietnam War, Syrian War or Afghan War sense of the term. That’s because there is a genuine US strategic interest at stake in fighting Russia to the last Ukrainian, and further. No comparable strategic stake existed in the earlier wars.
The stake in the war against Russia is the preservation of the US occupation of Germany and the empire in Europe and the UK, together with the credibility of US weapons which must be sold worldwide at prices to match their reputations in combat. Losing the war on the Ukrainian battlefield and in the sanctions war against Russia means a worldwide defeat for the US, its military power, its commercial and financial dominance, along with its command-and-control systems, subsidiaries, and retainers.
The substitute for an anti-war movement in Washington is faction-fighting over what means, what terms can be devised to get the US out of the Ukraine before the Ukrainian army capitulates, Vladimir Zelensky flees for his life and fortune, and with them the collapse of the US alliance called NATO.
The apprehension of the allies in Europe was revealed a few days ago when Jacques Attali answered a telephone call he thought was from former Ukrainian president Petro Poroshenko, but which came instead from the Russian pranksters Vovan and Lexus. Attali, French presidential adviser, US retainer, and ex-head of the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development, said he knew French President Emmanuel Macron well and that Macron was afraid the US would abandon the Ukrainians to save itself. There was the same fear among the Germans and British, Attali added. “The weak point is what happens in Washington.”
“[This is] a nightmare scenario. That would be the US saying, well, enough is enough. We are not going to help Ukraine more. You have to go to negotiations, to the negotiating table. And that’s it. … Neither France, Germany or the UK can do that. But the US could arm-twist your [Poroshenko’s] government and your country [Ukraine] to say we want a ceasefire whatever it costs and stop [the war]. The most important thing is to avoid that.”
“There is no other way than a total win and to get rid of Putin…We have to take all risks for that. No compromise is possible, no compromise.” This is the European allies’ last stand, their backs to the wall at the Dnieper River. It is the rationale for desperate measures on the battlefield, and at the NATO summit on July 11.
Follow up the points of discussion, the official statements, and the evidence of what they mean: Russian Ministry of Defense battlefield bulletin as of July 7. Killed in action on the day, 820. The Ukrainian Army’s shift to the mosquito attack tactic.
US cluster munitions for the Ukraine; Russian, Ukrainian, and Turkish equivalents already used on the battlefield; and the technical characteristics – lethality, range, dud rate, etc. Fact, fiction and the way the wind has been blowing from the Zaporozhye Nuclear Power Plant, click to read.
President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s statement that the Ukraine “deserves NATO membership” following his meeting with Zelensky in Istanbul on July 8, as reported in the Turkish press.
The Voice of America footage failed to record a grin or a smile on the face of either president from beginning to end of their meeting. The longer record from Turkish public television broadcaster TRT also shows each man reading his statements from pre-prepared paper scripts with almost no conversation visible between them.
For background on the Black Sea grain trade deal, read this. The most recent statement from the Russian Foreign Ministry was given on July 6 by spokesman Maria Zakharova: “There is no optimism here. Regarding contacts in Geneva, we posted a comment on June 10, 2023, noting that, on June 9, 2023, Geneva had hosted another round of consultations involving Deputy Foreign Minister Sergey Vershinin, the concerned Russian agencies and companies, as well as a UN delegation headed by United Nations Conference on Trade and Development Secretary-General Rebeca Grynspan. After that, we repeatedly provided our assessments during our contacts with our foreign partners. We have posted the relevant reports and materials on our website stating that the deal has become purely commercial and lacks any humanitarian content.
Moreover, the Ukrainian side is behaving like a real terrorist regime. In particular, it has blown up an ammonia pipeline [Togliatti-Odessa]. In effect, they are destroying the civilian infrastructure that was part of this deal. No one has condemned this. The main parameters of the deal are not working and have failed. Consequently, there is no reason to be optimistic.”
The terms of the United Nations agreement with Russia, signed in Istanbul on July 21, 2022, have never been implemented, leaving Russian shipments of fertilizers to the global market blocked, stocks still under arrest at European ports, and the SWIFT system for grain trade payments between banks unrelieved. Note that in the deal, UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres “agrees to continue efforts to facilitate the transparent
unimpeded access of food and fertilizers, including the raw materials required to produce fertilizers (including ammonia), originating from the Russian Federation to the world markets. This includes impediments that may arise in the sectors of finance, insurance and logistics.” Guterres has done nothing of the sort.
Desperation measures in Washington, part 1 – Richard Haas (Council on Foreign Relations), Charles Kupchan (National Security Council), and Thomas Graham (Kissinger Associates, State Department ) meet Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and other unidentified Russians…….
So much for the Grand Offensive.
“There’s no American anti-war movement in the Vietnam War, Syrian War or Afghan War sense of the term. That’s because there is a genuine US strategic interest at stake in fighting Russia to the last Ukrainian, and further. No comparable strategic stake existed in the earlier wars.”
Either that, or the people who would lead a protest against World War 3, are wasting away in DC Central, after having been ARRESTED on (or shortly after) Jan 6th, 2021.
“The stake in the war against Russia is the preservation of the US occupation of Germany and the empire in Europe and the UK, together with the credibility of US weapons which must be sold worldwide at prices to match their reputations in combat.”
There it is... It’s all about the MIC money...
Not worth reading, the antiwar movement was/is created by the communist left. All the spontaneous demonstrations were planned months in advance and funded. Just the Antifa and BLM riots here, and Europe.
So this article is is gaslighting smoke and mirrors BS
must be sold worldwide at prices to match their reputations in combat.”
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Well, video after video of burnt out Leopards, MRAPS, Bradleys, Strykers, Humvees, M777’s, (and more) , will hopefully curtail the US arms dealings.
Hopefully, the US will send over some M1’s and F-16’s, the resulting destruction by Vlad’s weapons will finally put an end to this overpriced circus.
Agreed, BS.
I saw nothing here that made me think “He may be on to something” but I saw plenty of “That’s not right.”
But we are technically “not in the war” yet, those would officially put us in the war.
They think we are stupid... And we are if we fall for this marketing and sales agenda.
” That’s because there is a genuine US strategic interest at stake in fighting Russia to the last Ukrainian, and further.”
Ridiculous. It is draining our treasury, corrupting DC, and aligning America with a government that is dominated by a nazi celebrating movement. This war is important to DC and London, not to any normal citizen of those nations.
And I was not aware we were still “occupying” Germany.
“There’s no American anti-war movement in the Vietnam War, Syrian War or Afghan War sense of the term.”
Because there is no draft. Bring back the draft and watch what pacifists the ‘Rats become.
Funny, but it seems like we've been giving them away lately. Along with piles of taxpayers' cash.
True, because of no draft. Another reason is that now the former anti-war movement is in full control of our government. They would protest the war in Iraq every way they could. But with Biden in office, they now lead the charge.
This is worldwide. The most aggressive German war advocates are the Green Party. The US star chamber of Democrats and Trump hating globalists cheerlead the war here.
ha ha, the neoCON talking point: Ukraine war is more important than any war since WW2.
These people are completely sick and demented. They are evil. Blood of the Ukrainian people is on their hands.
”Tell me more....”
Is the writer really that stupid? Does the writer think other people are that stupid? There's no sizeable anti-war movement now because it's not Americans who are doing the fighting.
Your statement seems to presume that Ukraine surrendering or losing to Russia would mean the end of Ukrainians dying in that theater. If Russia defeats Ukraine or if Ukraine surrenders is Russia willing AND able to administer an occupation under an installed Russian proxy government?
“There is no other way than a total win and to get rid of Putin…We have to take all risks for that.”
Who is “we”? Certainly this scribbler isn’t picking up a rifle.
Zelensky visits Snake Island on Ukraine War's 500th dayPresident Zelensky called Snake Island a "place of victory" that would never be reconquered
Yeah, every place Zelensky visits gets destroyed. Artymovsk ( Bakmut) a very good example.
How does any rational or caring human being watch us lose a 20-year war against cave-dwelling barbarians, and not just lose that war, but lose it in the most humiliating fashion imaginable, and less than a year later already have a war-boner for Ukraine?" -- John Nolte, 3/5/2022
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