Posted on 07/08/2023 5:57:27 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal
A national defense analyst says NATO and the West need to pay attention to Russia’s repeated warnings about using nuclear weapons, this time from a notable academic who concludes Russia must consider nukes to stop NATO expansion and to “save humanity” from the West.
“Russia and its leadership seem to be facing a difficult choice,” begins the academic paper by Sergei Karaganov. “It becomes increasingly clear that a clash with the West cannot end even if we win a partial or even a crushing victory in Ukraine.”
That frightening document, which published in late June, goes on for another 2,900 words to conclude using “God’s weapon of Armageddon” will prevent – not create – a worsening crisis in Europe. "The enemy must know," he writes, "that we are ready to deliver a preemptive strike in retaliation for all of its current and past acts of aggression in order to prevent a slide into global thermonuclear war."
The word "nuclear" is used 27 times and "nuclear weapon" is used 10 times by Karaganov, a historian and political scientist.
(Excerpt) Read more at afn.net ...
I pray we never have to find out.
“It can go home any time it chooses”
Way too late for that. This thinking is why so many are confused and surprised. Crimea and the Donbas are home to Russia… it’s already home.
Absolutely and AMEN!
I served in the Air Force for 22 years. Spent 8 of those doing missile defense related duties.
I ran the computer system (MEBU) that ran the big screens for Missile Warning in Cheyenne Mountain, NORAD Combat Operations Center. We had little tv’s built into the racks of the communication processors that we could monitor what they were seeing downstairs. I remember watching the “mass attack” scenario with one of the civilian maintenance techs and saying, “You know Dan, I’m convinced this is going to happen someday.” He just nodded.
Years went by and the Soviet Union fell in 1991/2. It was a huge weight (of the dystopic future I was sure would happen) that fell off our shoulders.
And now we’re back to this crap. I’m old and live rurally now, but I really thought we dodged this bullet.
Putin will use tactical nuclear weapons. Wagner is rfeconstituted in Belarus and the nukes have alread been shipped there. Wagner is being trained and equipped how to use and exploit the weapins tactically.
THese tactical nuclear strikes will come from Belarus.....Putin can deny any connection to them.
They will open a pathway to the Baltic for Russia.
So far everyone except Rebekah Koffler is asleep at the switch on this one.
https://thefederalist.com/2023/03/31/there-is-only-one-u-s-leader-who-putin-actually-fears/
Just because some academic says something does not make it a policy of the government.
“A rabid dog that has teeth will use them when backed into a corner. Don’t be so sure.”
Russia isn’t backed into a corner: All it has to do is live peaceably with its neighbors. But that is something Russia is loath to do, because it goes against its nature. Russia has historically been an insecure and paranoid bully; so if it’s in a corner it’s a corner of its own making.
“And the little haberdasher killed Patton for suggesting we wipe out the Soviet Union after the war ended.”
Are you seriously claiming Truman had Patton killed? What is the color of the sky in your world?
“Any nuclear capable country WILL use nukes if they start losing a war on their own soil.”
I agree. But Russia is not fighting on its own soil. If it loses this war, it will have lost it on Ukrainian soil.
“There are still discussions going on regarding handing Ukraine a few nukes...”
Link, please.
“I think the Russian mindset is always that they are cornered and must conquer and enslave whichever neighbor is currently attracting their Russian paranoia and greed, which can only be calmed by acquiring that nation.”
Yup.
“Therefore this is more likely psych ops.”
I agree.
“I was thinking more of the 1963 Cuban Missile Crisis...”
Do you mean the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis?
“I think they believe it will. But they also believe they will survive in their hideouts. In their minds, it is only the peasantry that will be wiped out.”
FReeper BobL agrees with them. He has said here on FR that he’d prefer being in Russia in the event of a nuclear war, because Russia “is prepared.” Well, I guess due to Russia’s vast size there might be a couple places, isolated and remote and uninhabited, where one might ride it out...for a time, anyway.
The irony of nuclear weapons is that they are the greatest deterrence to their own use.
“Why do I keep feeling like this is June 1914?”
Well, maybe July, 1914. Franz Ferdinand was killed at the end of June, on June 28. It was July when things started getting interesting.
“Correct but Russia is not backed into a corner. Maybe they think they are which means they are out of touch with reality.”
Yeah, they actually are. That’s objectively true by facts and by the statements of our leaders. We are expanding a hostile expansionist alliance right up their border. We have launched color revolutions in Ukraine, and Georgia. Our color revolutions were defeated in Russia 2011, Kazakhstan 2022, Belarus 2020. Biden himself went on TV and said Putin had to be removed from power. Numerous high government officials and their CFR rags have posted stories about installing a western government in Moscow and breaking up Russia into several small nations. (or as neocons call it, “decolonizing Russia)
We launched a failed all out economic attack on Russia also. We ban their athletes, musicians, writers, dancers, etc.
Yeah, they are backed into a corner. One would hope that if they do lash out they at least take out DC, NY and London for us and that no continuity of government plan works. We should at least be rid of the idiots that caused this.
“FReeper BobL agrees with them. He has said here on FR that he’d prefer being in Russia in the event of a nuclear war, because Russia “is prepared.””
Yep, who looks up “Blast Doors” and “Russia” will immediately see that they take civil defense SERIOUSLY there. Now go look up the same for the US or Europe. About the only places we have them are military installations and for your friends in DC.
If you think you don’t need civil defense, that’s your problem.
It’s not that complicated.
“THese tactical nuclear strikes will come from Belarus.....Putin can deny any connection to them.”
I don’t see how he could do that, since the launch controls are all in Russia’s hands.
Tactical weapons use would prove once and for all that Russia is truly an oriental despotism that has not now, nor ever has had, an affinity for the West. Ironically, it is another oriental despotism, China, that is advising Putin against the use of nukes. Russia might be a despotism but it is only a bastardized Mongol state as far as China is concerned.
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