Posted on 06/25/2023 11:06:35 PM PDT by Nextrush
For seventy-five years of mutual deterrence, nuclear weapons have saved the world, and people just got used to it. Now we see with our own eyes that nuclear weapons no longer stop, because the unthinkable is happening: the West has unleashed a big war in the underbelly of a great nucler power...
At some point, we also calmed down, went in line with Western theories and recklessly raised the threshold for the use of nuclear weapons, which the West is now using for a reason. There all the time, semi-officials emphasize: no, the Russians will never use nuclear weapons. They want us not to even raise this question under any circumstances, as if clearing the way for them for an endless war in Ukraine. But given that their military-industrial potential is higher than ours, they just want to wear us out...
I want to believe that our opponents will come to their senses. Because if not, then the military-political leadership of Russia will face a terrible moral choice and the need to make a difficult decision. But I believe that our president must at some point project his determination to use nuclear weapons...
the use of nuclear weapons is a monstrous step, it should be avoided if possible. But, as the vector of the West, its elites and society, their movement towards anti-human and post-human values shows, all this indicates and objective approach to a big thermonuclear war. We must interrupt this process and thus save the world- if possible, of course, avoiding super-tough actions...
(Excerpt) Read more at ria.ru ...
Russia is a lot smarter than that and he has more tools to use against the west that nukes. LIKE GERMS, spread by a few spies and dupes. They have Terrorist ties to Iran that could hit Europe hard with terrorist plots—a dirty bomb or two? How about making London Uninhabitable? USA—a few people smuggled in with hoof and mouth disease to tramp about Texas and the southwest? If Nukes are used they will be from Terrorists and not traced back to Russia or China. An attack on the energy grid would be simple and put us in the stone age. Turn off the Internet and see how Americans like living in the 1970.
>> We’ll nuke them back. Putin is not going to do it
This isn’t your father’s cold war.
Putin is sick, and crazy, and increasingly desperate.
Biden is crazy, guilty, and demented, and he has attracted a legion of demons to his “administration” that are the worst this hurting nation has ever seen.
Only a blind man (or a delusional one) could confidently rule out nuclear conflict in the support his own misguided agenda regarding the corrupt nation of Ukraine.
>> maybe it would be better if we just nuked Russia now
What do you mean “we”, keyboard warrior from Canada?
The link to the article is: https://ria.ru/20230625/yao-1880235742.html
The excerpted content provided inexcusably leaves out some important information.
The first user comment is:
Popular commentsAre you crazy with such headlines?
Chias Mio
25 June, 10:32
Of course, the headline is not written by the author. More importantly, the crazy headline does not approximate any claim made in the article by Sergey Karaganov. Nowhere did Karaganov state, in words or substance, that "There is no choice: Russia will have to launch a nuclear strike on Europe."
The cherry picked excerpts deliberately leave out directly relevant commentary of Karaganov, as shown below:
Seventy-five years of mutual deterrence, nuclear weapons have saved the world, and people have just gotten used to it. Now we see with our own eyes that nuclear weapons no longer stop, because the unthinkable is happening: the West has unleashed a big war in the underbelly of a great nuclear power.The official history of the creation of atomic weapons is known, but, from my point of view, there is still a super-idea of its appearance. It's as if the Lord God saw that a significant part of humanity went mad by unleashing two world wars in the lifetime of one generation, and handed people nuclear weapons - weapons of the apocalypse, so that people would have them in front of their eyes all the time and frighten them.
And now people have lost their fear.
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I hope that we will never use nuclear weapons, but the fact that we refuse the possibility of using them in all situations, except in the event of mortal danger to the state itself, seems to me frivolous.
Thus, the States tie Russia's hands and hope to blow it up in the long run with this long war. And, as a result, radically weaken its main rival - China, which in which case will be alone. This is a strategic plan that is absolutely clear. Well, at the same time, the Americans, having already thrown the Ukrainian people into the furnace, are pushing Europe there, destroying the positions that it has occupied for five centuries. They thereby solve another problem - they destroy the Old World as a strategic player and potential strategic competitor. In turn, comprador European elites drive their countries and peoples to the slaughter.
I want to believe that our opponents will come to their senses. Because if not, then the military-political leadership of Russia will face a terrible moral choice and the need to make a difficult decision. But I believe that our president at some point has to project his determination to use nuclear weapons.
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And of course, I would not want nuclear weapons to be used. First, for moral and ethical reasons: I think we are united with the Chinese. And secondly, because the Chinese still have a small nuclear potential, the movement of military-political competition in this area is now undesirable for him. In ten years, they will have a first-class nuclear potential (and even in five to seven years, their situation will change), and then the best option to prevent a major thermonuclear war will be one in which a more powerful China will stand at the forefront, and Russia will prop it up and cover it, as the Chinese are now propping us up.
I perfectly understand the moral anguish of people who say: under no circumstances is the use of nuclear weapons unthinkable and unacceptable. To which I answer them: my friends, I respect pacifists, but they exist and live in this world only because soldiers are fighting and dying for them, as our soldiers and officers are fighting now in Ukraine.
>> And I believe Potassium Iodide is very important as well.
Thanks for the reminder! I need to get me some.
And if Putin is near to being overthrown, he will likely skedaddle to some form of comfortable exile with security guarantees from the West and an immunity deal from his domestic adversaries. My guess is that is how it ends, with Putin and a circle of cronies enjoying residence in Switzerland, Serbia, or Spain — or perhaps all three, with his whereabouts depending on the season.
Russia invades Ukraine and it is “the West [that] has unleashed a big war.” Interesting logic there, or the lack there of.
I’d be fine living in the 1970’s - except for disco.
” the West has unleashed a big war “
Nope — Russia unleashed a war by invading Ukraine.
yes, the Russkies didn’t expect it to last more than 3 weeks at best. And they were wrong
So you are saying the Russians have biolabs?
straight from the kremlin's propaganda mills you repeat, eh?
No, the war is Russia's war for regime change -- they thought they'd win with a strike at Kyiv in Feb 2022
but the Russkies were wrong
NATO isn't even in the war - this is the Ukrainians beating the Russians
Note that this is after 8 years of defense preparation on the part of the Ukrainians (the Russians rolled over them in 2014 in the first Russian invasion of Ukraine)
Why? Because they were invaded by Putin's Russia for the second time - after Putin had first invaded Georgia in 2008 and then Ukraine for the first time in 2014.
And, this time it wasn't just a border incursion (which would not have prompted the same response) - no, Putin this time tried for regime change - attacking Kyiv directly
The west still did not act in February, expecting the Ukrainians to capitulate in days (as did the Russians)
But that didn't happen - so the west started to change it's mind in April and then May 2022. Only after June 2022 did the West start actively sending weaponry to Ukraine
Why is the USA doing this? Because the Ukrainians have stopped Putin's further salami tactic incursions into Europe and by doing so, this has prevented a bigger war (this article is pure bluff)
Griffin - Nifter is correct, not you —> The 1D thinking is blaming the west for Russia invading Ukraine.
Nope - if you had been following Putin’s actions since the early 2000s, it has all been leading to this — the only difference is that Putin this time didn’t use salami tactics, but hubris got the better of him and he tried to decapitate Ukraine. And failed.
I am opposed to any side using nukes - it gains nothing.
Russia needs to end its imperialist mindset - and the nukes won’t, imho, help.
Prigozhin’s putsch has indicated how weak the Russian state apparatus is, now, 16 months after their failed invasion of Ukraine.
nah, Kiryl — Putin’s coterie ARE deep-state (KGB), war-mongering (Georgia ‘08, Ukraine ‘14, Ukraine ‘22) imperialists.
No, the Ukrainian push-back has reduced the chance of war coming into Central Europe, leave alone Western Europe or North America.
If Putin had won back in Feb 2022, then the next decade would have been fraught as Russia would then target the Baltics — they would keep pushing until they got resistance. The good thing is they got resistance while they were still weak
The EMP impact, the loss of power, the loss of critical infrastructure like hospitals, doctors, fire, police, etc, would dramatically reduce life expectancy.
It'd be a complete disruption of society and the economy as we understand it today.
We'd be back in the stone age.
Ukrainians protested Yanukovych not fulfilling his campaign promises of closer economic ties to the EU as they had the right to do under the Ukrainian Constitution. He ordered that the police open fire on them. 108 Ukrainians were killed. Then scared to death about what he had done he fled the country with a big percentage of the Ukrainian treasury. He abandoned his job. The next day the Parliament voted to remove him from office, as the law allowed. It wasn’t a coup, the man abandoned his job. Three months later the people of the country held an election and elected someone who was willing to show up.
Yanukovych, a russian puppet, ran away whilst he was still President and relinquished his role, never returning to Ukraine.
Yanukovich could have stayed, he could have plead his case. He could have made the public arguement for why he did what he did. He didn’t do that though. Instead he burned a bunch of documents, packed a suitcase full of cash and fled in the middle of the night.
There was no armed uprising
There was no fifth column.
There wasn’t even a singular political leader who opposed him who stepped into his role. Ukraine had a short lived provisional government until a new election was held. Their constitution was never suspended
Ukraine, like every other democracy, has acts in place that deal with an absent leader and enacted them accordingly.
Russia decided to call this a coup in an effort to de-legitimise the Ukrainian government because it objected to the removal of its puppet. It did not like the idea of a free democratic nation on its border.
What about the climate?
How dare he?
Dear Russia:
Please nuke Davos the next time the WEF meets. It would be a service to the world.
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