Posted on 06/25/2023 11:06:35 PM PDT by Nextrush
For seventy-five years of mutual deterrence, nuclear weapons have saved the world, and people just got used to it. Now we see with our own eyes that nuclear weapons no longer stop, because the unthinkable is happening: the West has unleashed a big war in the underbelly of a great nucler power...
At some point, we also calmed down, went in line with Western theories and recklessly raised the threshold for the use of nuclear weapons, which the West is now using for a reason. There all the time, semi-officials emphasize: no, the Russians will never use nuclear weapons. They want us not to even raise this question under any circumstances, as if clearing the way for them for an endless war in Ukraine. But given that their military-industrial potential is higher than ours, they just want to wear us out...
I want to believe that our opponents will come to their senses. Because if not, then the military-political leadership of Russia will face a terrible moral choice and the need to make a difficult decision. But I believe that our president must at some point project his determination to use nuclear weapons...
the use of nuclear weapons is a monstrous step, it should be avoided if possible. But, as the vector of the West, its elites and society, their movement towards anti-human and post-human values shows, all this indicates and objective approach to a big thermonuclear war. We must interrupt this process and thus save the world- if possible, of course, avoiding super-tough actions...
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I presume that 80% doesn't include yourself or any of your loved ones?
There was no "coup" in Ukraine in 2014
Ukrainians protested Yanukovych not fulfilling his campaign promises of closer economic ties to the EU as they had the right to do under the Ukrainian Constitution. He ordered that the police open fire on them. 108 Ukrainians were killed. Then scared to death about what he had done he fled the country with a big percentage of the Ukrainian treasury. He abandoned his job. The next day the Parliament voted to remove him from office, as the law allowed. It wasn’t a coup, the man abandoned his job. Three months later the people of the country held an election and elected someone who was willing to show up.
Yanukovych, a russian puppet, ran away whilst he was still President and relinquished his role, never returning to Ukraine.
Yanukovich could have stayed, he could have plead his case. He could have made the public arguement for why he did what he did. He didn’t do that though. Instead he burned a bunch of documents, packed a suitcase full of cash and fled in the middle of the night.
There was no armed uprising
There was no fifth column.
There wasn’t even a singular political leader who opposed him who stepped into his role. Ukraine had a short lived provisional government until a new election was held. Their constitution was never suspended
Anyway, the lesson from yesterday is totally that you can’t humiliate or corner me cos “i never back down and can’t look weak”.
Putin should have stayed out of Ukraine. No matter the outcome, he’s at fault.
“the use of nuclear weapons is a monstrous step, it should be avoided if possible”
Yet Russians keep trying to come up with reasons to use them, instead of just withdrawing their armies back to Russian territory.
“I believe many of them WANT to do this. And are going through the rationalizations to justify it.”
Of course. The events of the last year and a half have fully punctured the myth that Russia has a military that is competitive with the USA and NATO. The last scrap they have left of that dream is their nuclear arsenal, so some are sorely tempted to lean on that to restore their dignity.
“with security guarantees from the West”
He’ll get the same kind of “guarantees” he gave Prigozhin. Ones that won’t be worth the paper they are printed on once he relinquishes his bargaining chips.
Yes, Putin’s usual method was to just create violence in Russian “ethnic areas” of other countries, as an excuse for his army to have to invade in order to “protect ethnic Russians” from the violent conflicts that he instigated.
That did well in creating little forward bases in these various countries, but none of them succeeded in toppling the whole country and giving Putin a real expansion. So he tried to take a bigger bite this time, but it was more than he could chew.
I have never had any doubt that if backed into a corner, Putin will authorize the use of tactical nukes.
I don’t claim to be an expert on international affairs or geopolitics, but I don’t think Putin is the kind of man who is prone to bluff.
Whether the folks around him will refuse to follow that order, or take him out in some capacity, remains to be seen.. but if pushed into a corner, I would not gamble the lives anyone living within 300 miles of the Russian border, that Putin would not bring tactical nukes to the conflict.
Sure, because Ukraine is totally in NATO and wasn't actually rejected for NATO membership.
No need for the Russians to nuke Europe. The Europeans are effectively nuking themselves with LGBT, mass immigration, environmental extremism, and Marxism.
Russia invaded Ukraine... However, if you think the NATO alliance wasn’t an active participant in encouraging the invasion and escalating the conflict since, you are fooling yourself.
I really think that if in February he had focused just on the areas east of the Dnieper, instead of attacking Kyiv then
1. NATO would not get involved
2. The war would be over earlier - at least on paper
3. NATO would disintegrate post recriminations that it couldn’t stop Putin
4. Ukraine would be abandoned and then Putin could take a bigger bite in another year or two
OR, once he saw in March/April that he was losing, he should have retreated back to the DPR/LPR
But he’s gone past way past that and is in the land of no return
“It is interesting how many”Putin had no choice” folks there are out there. Granted many are paid trolls, but there is a genuine large population who believe this. Once this is your position then anything is reasonable”
After Pizzagate and Q became popular on the right the signs were clear that there was a significant portion of the right who no longer were even remotely tethered to reality and were willing to believe literally anything as long as the con artists just told them what they wanted to desperately believe. So this is no surprise really. We get what we tolerate.
NATO wasn’t an active participant in encouraging the invasion.
It was an active participant in helping the Ukrainians prepare for an invasion.
NATO didn’t “escalate the conflict” - Russia has done that.
If Putin had returned home after his losses in 2022, the war would be over
False - Ukraine along with Georgia requested to join in 2008. That was REJECTED by France and GErmany for fear of "provoking Putin"
6 weeks after the rejection, Putin invaded Georgia and 6 years later invaded Ukraine
If Georgia and Ukraine were accepted in NATO in 2008, then no Russian invasions of Georgia or Ukraine
Yup. That and 20,000 nukes.
Yes, the neocon warmongers are narrow-minded and don’t understand the gravity of their stupidity. They just want to drag this thing out as long as they can for their own selfish gains.
“NATO wasn’t an active participant in encouraging the invasion.”
Bullcrap. NATO nation leaders were feeding Z lie upon lie, which he foolishly bit into. Z’s an incompetent boob, who has cost countless lives, his basic inability to understand the geopolitical realities of his nation and allowing himself to foolishly be swayed by NATO states feeding him horse manure kept him from properly assessing the realities.
Would Russia have invaded anyway? Perhaps, but if you think for one second that Nato states weren’t working to trigger this conflict you are naive.
“NATO didn’t “escalate the conflict” - Russia has done that.”
No, once the conflict began, NATO states entered the fray. You think this is or was EVER just Russia v Ukraine, you are naive beyond words.
This is a Proxy War, this was never simply UKRAINE v RUSSIA.. long long before it began.
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