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End game in the Ukraine war approaches with lightning speed
Doctorow ^ | 20 June 23 | Gilbert

Posted on 06/24/2023 10:01:13 AM PDT by delta7

Today Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu made an announcement that has not yet been carried in Western media but which is of the most grave nature.

According to the latest intelligence reports, Russia believes that the Ukrainian armed forces now intend to cover their failed counter-offensive in the Donbas by using US-supplied Himars multiple launch artillery and UK-supplied Storm Shadow cruise missiles, possibly in the longer range domestic version, to attack the Crimea.

If this happens, says Shoigu, Russia will consider both the United States and Britain to have fully entered the war as co-belligerents. And Russia will immediately respond to any such attack on its territory by destroying “the decision making centers” of the Kiev regime. This is a fairly transparent threat to “neutralize” their government apparatus and personnel, logically including President Zelensky.

The statement by Shoigu leaves little doubt that we are entering the final phase of the Ukraine war as a war limited to the geography of Ukraine, and are possibly heading into a wider war with unforeseeable consequences both for Europeans and (finally) for Americans.

The ball is in the court of Washington and London.

©Gilbert Doctorow, 2023


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: 10percent4thebigguy; agitprop; biglandholder; crimeaisukraine; demsunited4kickbacks; demsunitedforbribes; demsunitedforukraine; desperatepropaganda; war
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To: Texas Fossil

Who supplied the billions of dollars of war funding and materiel to Ukraine, without which the “war” would never have occurred?


61 posted on 06/24/2023 12:26:20 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (The worst thing about censorship is ████ █ ██████ ███████ ███ ██████ ██ ████████. FJB.)
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To: KingofZion
However he is not beyond using tactical nukes in Kiev if Ukraine threatens Russian territory.

"If" becomes "when". I can't predict the "when"; but I can assert its inevitability. Over the next 25 years it is inevitable that Ukrainians will, at the very least, commit massive sabotage against the Russian homeland and people.

After what has been done to them, their land, their people, the Ukrainian seething will be ongoing for a generation at least.

62 posted on 06/24/2023 12:27:23 PM PDT by Migraine
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Yes, it was a stupid move to do that.

But it opened the door for Congress Critters to graft a LOT of money.

That must stop.


63 posted on 06/24/2023 12:32:15 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not about where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind and Attitude.)
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To: Texas Fossil

It was never a Ukraine/Russia war.

It was always a USA/Russia proxy war, with FJB/Soros hiding behind Ukraine.


64 posted on 06/24/2023 12:34:53 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (The worst thing about censorship is ████ █ ██████ ███████ ███ ██████ ██ ████████. FJB.)
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To: Migraine

After what has been done to them, their land, their people, the Ukrainian seething will be ongoing for a generation at least.
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Hate is nothing new in man’s history. Your prediction is just a prediction: citizens in Marioupol and Crimea, for example, are satisfied with Russia’s quick rebuilding and resumption of trade, life, etc…When the Ukies were in charge, little was done for the ethnic Russian populations.

You will be correct when applying your forecast to Western Ukraine, which has fewer ethnic Russians. Their hate for Russians are off the scale…which really bodes not well for them.


65 posted on 06/24/2023 12:39:38 PM PDT by delta7
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To: delta7
Remember when there was all this propaganda about Barry Goldwater leading us to nuclear war? Remember the little girl picking flowers?

It appears that it is the Commie/ hippie retread Democrats that are leading us to nuclear war. The end justify the means rhetoric and actions by the lib/commie part are so annoying.

The last days of America and the Biden Administration.

66 posted on 06/24/2023 12:45:15 PM PDT by Stepan12 ("...To the American gulag with this guy.and with the beasts of the earth.")
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To: SaveFerris

I agree.

No jokes now.

Prayers up to save our country from World War III.


67 posted on 06/24/2023 12:49:40 PM PDT by frank ballenger (You have summoned up a thundercloud. You're gonna hear from me. Anthem by Leonard Cohen)
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To: struggle

Interesting point, being that its now a lot easier to mobilize.


68 posted on 06/24/2023 12:52:35 PM PDT by Starboard
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To: Deo volente

Kamala is briefing Biden right now. “Russia is a big country. Ukraine is a small country...”

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And Biden is saying God save the queen.


69 posted on 06/24/2023 12:54:58 PM PDT by Starboard
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To: MeganC

Or is their civil war keeping them busy?

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This momentary revolt by a band of mercenaries was nothing close to a civil war. Let’s keep things real.


70 posted on 06/24/2023 1:08:35 PM PDT by Starboard
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To: Gen.Blather
We had 8,000 American Troops in Russia at the end of WW1 and were fighting for quite awhile after the end of the war in Vladivostok I believe in support of the white Russian and the Checzk Legions, hope we don't make that mistake again.
71 posted on 06/24/2023 1:11:20 PM PDT by ABN 505 (Right is right if nobody is right, and wrong is wrong if everybody is wrong. ~Archbishop Fulton John)
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To: delta7

You’ve been claiming that end game for 6 months, right?


72 posted on 06/24/2023 1:16:46 PM PDT by Cronos
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To: KingofZion

He won’t use nukes against Kyiv. Kyiv is the birthplace of Eastern Slavic civilization, the parent civilization for the sister civilizations of Bialorus, Ukraine and Muscowy


73 posted on 06/24/2023 1:17:55 PM PDT by Cronos
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To: bk1000

The difference is if you invaded your neighbours and after invading claim that they are your enemy


74 posted on 06/24/2023 1:18:53 PM PDT by Cronos
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To: ABN 505

I remember all the history lessons in school. Everything seemed so clean and clear cut. There were no grays, only black and white. But as I read further in my old age, holy smoke, how us school kids were misled. Every war was far messier and full of grayness than I’d ever imagined. I don’t think the education system did it on purpose. I think they didn’t use historians to write the texts. So we got the CliffsNotes version. I think the fighting “after WWI” went on into the twenties and involved all the same countries as the war did. Possibly, the war-is-over narrative was to placate the great unwashed masses. (That’s us.) If I recall, the British lost some warships and had to hush it up.


75 posted on 06/24/2023 1:19:43 PM PDT by Gen.Blather (Wait! I said that out loud? )
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To: Cronos

You’ve been claiming that end game for 6 months, right?
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No, for almost two years.

Ukraine 1991-2023.

Who won, the turtle or the hare?


76 posted on 06/24/2023 1:33:18 PM PDT by delta7
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To: Gen.Blather
We were misled but by omission not deliberately, think of what kids learn now on purpose by the “Teaching class. Scary days ahead my friend.
77 posted on 06/24/2023 1:35:17 PM PDT by ABN 505 (Right is right if nobody is right, and wrong is wrong if everybody is wrong. ~Archbishop Fulton John)
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To: Cronos

Nazis in any shape or form is the losing formula, no mater how hard you try to deny it. Ukie Neo- Nazis are real, maybe not in great numbers, but when imbedded in your government, a very, very good indication you are on the wrong side……and will ultimately suffer defeat, as we are witnessing.

Once again:

Ukraine 1991-2023 , RIP, the quicker the better.


78 posted on 06/24/2023 1:39:50 PM PDT by delta7
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To: ABN 505

We were misled but by omission not deliberately, think of what kids learn now on purpose by the “Teaching class. Scary days ahead my friend.
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Agreed upon by many Biblical scholars: Sin takes only two roads.

Sins of commission and sins of omission….the collective West and MSM are guilty of the later, of which will be exacted accordingly.


79 posted on 06/24/2023 1:43:44 PM PDT by delta7
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To: delta7

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80 posted on 06/24/2023 1:47:34 PM PDT by sauropod (“If they don’t believe our lies, well, that’s just conspiracy theorist stuff, there.”)
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