Posted on 06/23/2023 8:35:54 PM PDT by Widget Jr
Civil War Starts in Russia after Russian forces attacked the Wagner PMC, which has now led to outright war being called between the Russian government and forces loyal to Prighozin. Contact with Vladimir Putin has been lost for now with military blockades being set up around Moscow, and firefights breaking out in the Rostov region of Russia. Meanwhile Ukraine has declared a General offensive across all fronts and is reported to be making massive progress.
Kadyrov condemned Wagner and claims he’s going to stop him.
But then Kadyrov always makes such statements, but his tiktok soldiers never show up. They’re only good at sitting deep in the rear and systematically robbing and raping Russian conscripts.
(Yes, Russian soldiers have complained that Kadyrov’s men keep sodomizing them.)
Interesting claims on what is going on inside Russia from internal sources:
https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1672500870947254273
What they usually watch is CNN TURK on youtube.
I can’t understand a word but the videos are there...I think some are live but not all.
Photo of Wagner air defense system on road to Moscow:
https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1672535730403389440
Statement by Prigozhen:
“Regarding the betrayal of the Motherland, the President is deeply mistaken. We’re patriots of our Motherland. We fought and we are fighting, all fighters of PMC Wagner. And no one is going to surrender to the demands of the President, FSB, or anyone else. Because we don’t want the country to live further in corruption lies, and bureaucracy.
When we fought in Africa, we were told that we needed Africa, and then they dumped it, because they stole all the money that was meant to come for help.
When we were told we are fighting with Ukraine, we went and fought. But it turned out that the ammo, weapons, all money put towards this were also being stolen, while officials are sitting and saving them for themselves for an incident that happened today, when someone is going towards Moscow.”
Now they are not saving anything, they are striking us with planes and helicopters at the columns with civilians. And they hit civilians because they’re missing. And they hit anywhere they can.
Thus, we are the patriots, but those resisting us today are those who gathered around scumbags.
https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1672536701997072384
So a rogue military regimen with a big mouth threatening Moscow is civil war? Got it.
So are we in civil war too then with all the trash talking government officials here in the US.
Thos is all scripted on both sides, the ending has been written and that last act will be unveiled in time. If our puppetmasters want nuclear war it’ll happen when they’re safe in a bunker somewhere.
Tired of the propaganda!
KA-52 just struck an oil storage facility in occupied Voronezh.
You might want to catch up on what's going on. This has moved well beyond "threatening" and "trash talking".
Yep, he has lots of good information. I met him in person, in the Philippines, a few years ago, and had a nice conversation with him.
I just spent some time with the link at comment #129. The link starts with 2 minutes showing traffic on a 2 lane highway. By running a lane down the center and rolling wheels on one side of vehicles on the paved shoulders, it has been converted into a 3 lane highway. Many kinds of large vehicles including a number of military vehicles, and large trucks and a few cars were parked on the left side. Many soldiers were standing, wandering around, and chatting. Down the center, vehicles mostly autos were driving in the same direction as the parked trucks on the left were headed. The photographer was driving in the right side column. When he turned the camera you could see soldiers standing on the right edge of the shoulder watching people go by. In a few pull-off areas trucks and cars were parked. I could see hundreds of soldiers, all waiting for something to happen and relaxed about it. Next I read many comments.
Judging from comments, it appears the 22nd Special Forces soldiers have joined with Wagner as well as some of the FSB border guards. In addition, while the Russian National Guard (Rosgvardia) has been ordered to fight Wagner, in at least one clash Rosgvardia broke and ran away. This is also seen as a sign that Putin’s reported orders to fight Wagner are being conveyed to Rosgvardia, although perhaps not being obeyed with enthusiasm. I would guess this was filmed near the midpoint from Rostov to Moscow.
Well, if Kadyrov’s men are doing that, no wonder the Pooty Pals are all worked up about globohomo, denial, denial, denial.
Only if an army, complete with anti-air systems and tanks, was driving to Washington on a major highway, taking out Apache attack helicopters as they go.
If a couple of US Army divisions have just seized Cleveland OH, and then Pittsburgh PA, and are now on the I76 heading for Washington, then it would be the equivalent of what’s going on in Russia.
(Yevgeny) Prigozhin appears to have responded to Putin in an audio message, saying his troops were not committing treason, but rather were patriots fighting for the future of the Motherland - calling out “corruption, lies and bureaucracy”
Quote: “...”Because we don’t want our country to live anymore in corruption, lies and bureaucracy.”
Wait, what?!? Russia or the USA?!?!? (government “Corruption, lies and bureaucracy” sounds like the Biden admin.).
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-66006142
For comments #137 providing a twitter link, the people commenting at the link say it was not a jet that went down. I don’t know planes well enough to have an opinion but it definitedly was coming down, Some said it was old film.
One person commented that Putin’s plane had tried to enter one of the Stans, but the ruler turned him away saying something to the effect “this is Russia’s problem and we don’t want any part of it.”
Interesting thought. That’ll never happen here in America. Maybe it can happen there but if our country is an example we haven’t had one instance here and if we did it’ll be squashed rapidly. I suspect it’ll be the same in russia.
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bkmk
At comment #142 the twitter link provided has a dozen comments from one person. He points out that Friday night was a perfect time for Wagner to move as everyone was drunk, and on Saturday are coming to work unexpectedly, tired, woozy, hung over and unhappy. He also lists a number of defections to Wagner, people sitting this one out, failing or refusing to obey orders (particularly common among younger officers), and only occasionally doing what the high command has ordered. If his reports are accuragte, Wagner has made it.
Comments from others of interest quote Prig as complaining that when they were in Africa, money supposed to be used there was stolen by higher ups, and then the same thing happened when they were in Ukraine. So this is a further aspect of his march for Justice. Another says that some crime boss reports that while in prison Prig was a passive homosexual. A third report has Wagner at a bridge outside Moscow and opines that if Wagner gets across that bridge safely, then Moscow is his. Personally, I thing Prig’s chances of an immediate success are well above 50%. But to paraphrase one of our patriots, “You will have it if you can hold it.”
Russian police and 18 years old conscripts are defending Moscow.
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