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Vladimir Putin was tricked into invading Ukraine, claims Wagner leader
Financial Times ^ | 6/23/2023 | Max Seddon

Posted on 06/23/2023 12:07:27 PM PDT by marcusmaximus

The Russian warlord Yevgeny Prigozhin has said Russia’s defence ministry concocted false pretences to trick Vladimir Putin into invading Ukraine and said Moscow could have avoided the war entirely.

In a half-hour tirade Prigozhin, founder of the notorious Wagner mercenary group, claimed Russia had faced no immediate threat from Ukraine when Putin began his full-scale invasion last year and accused the army’s top brass of deceiving the Russian president for their own personal gain.

The extraordinary rant, posted on social media on Friday, was the former caterer’s latest salvo in a long-running spat with defence minister Sergei Shoigu, who Prigozhin has accused of sabotaging the war effort together with Valery Gerasimov, chief of Russia’s general staff.

Prigozhin’s regular diatribes, in which he claims Russia runs the risk of losing the war after Ukraine began a counteroffensive earlier this month, indicate elite infighting is getting fiercer as Moscow’s war effort continues to struggle.

Though Prigozhin notably refrained from criticising Putin personally and has backed the war’s goals, the video was the first time he publicly questioned Russia’s rationale for the full-scale invasion.

“There was nothing out of the ordinary on February 24,” said Prigozhin, referring to the day Putin ordered the invasion. “The defence ministry is trying to deceive the president and society by saying Ukraine was going mad with aggression and was planning to attack us together with the whole Nato bloc.”

Instead, Prigozhin claimed Shoigu had convinced Putin the war was necessary so “a bunch of bastards could rule the roost and show off about what a strong army they have”, then botched the invasion through “incompetent planning”.

“For some reason, this bunch of idiots thought they were so smart-assed that nobody would understand what they were up to or stop them on their way to Kyiv,” he added.

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To: Glad2bnuts
Actually, if the US wouldn’t have pushed a coup in 2014,

Nonsense. There was no coup in 2014. Yanukovych abandoned his job and the Ukrainian Parliament removed him from office by a unanimous vote.

Putin: Russia helped Yanukovych to flee Ukraine

Ukrainian MPs vote to oust President Yanukovych

21 posted on 06/23/2023 12:44:53 PM PDT by Timber Rattler ("To hold a pen is to be at war." --Voltaire)
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To: marcusmaximus
Prigozhin accuses Russian army of attacking Wagner, threatens to respond.

Wagner Group Chief Yevgeny Prigozhin said Russian Defense Ministry attacked the group's bases in the rear.

"We have 25,000 (soldiers), and we're going to respond," he said.

Twitter Link

22 posted on 06/23/2023 12:48:11 PM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: MMusson
The US State Department told China that Ukraine was joining NATO. They knew China would tell Putin and Russia would invade.

All an excuse for Russia to invade.

Russia should never have a voice as to who enters NATO or not. It's none of their business. Making it about NATO was a pure unadulterated excuse/lie to invade and take over Ukraine. Russia has always been an aggressor country, and hostile to its neighbors, and it's been about empire building for over a century.
23 posted on 06/23/2023 12:52:52 PM PDT by adorno
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To: marcusmaximus

Oh please, don’t forget the part creepy ‘ol Uncle Joe played as Shit Stirrer in Chief!! I blame this whole mess on Hunter’s dad.


24 posted on 06/23/2023 12:55:41 PM PDT by blu (Bagster's ping on the side)
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To: marcusmaximus

We did bait Russia so we could degrade their ability to ally with China when that war comes.


25 posted on 06/23/2023 12:56:07 PM PDT by Vendome (I've Gotta Be Me https://youtu.be/wH-pk2vZG2M)
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To: blu

Biden gave Putin the green light to invade Ukraine in a “minor incursion”. And Putin and his military screwed up the deal.


26 posted on 06/23/2023 12:58:45 PM PDT by marcusmaximus
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To: Timber Rattler
Nonsense. There was no coup in 2014.

Maybe you have other words for when a violent mob overthrows a duly elected government in an unconstutional manner, but coup is also appropriate. Nuland wasn't organizing the replacement governments in the weeks prior on a mere hunch. That's laughably naïve.

Yanukovych abandoned his job and the Ukrainian Parliament removed him from office by a unanimous vote.

Yanukovych fled a murderous mob after they rejected a compromise that included early elections. He was not removed constitutionally. Impeachment of the Ukrainian president required not only charges to be filed (they weren't), but it also requires a 3/4's vote of the full Rada - 338 votes.

The 328 votes for removal of the president carry as much authority as 60 Senators voting to remove the U.S. President - not enough!

It was a coup by any definition of the word, or honest assessment of how the change in power was achieved (murderous mob violence, and ignoring Constitutional procedure to replace duly elected officials).

27 posted on 06/23/2023 1:00:07 PM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: dangus
If he was Ukrainian, we’d be told that was Nazi flag.

Well, the founder of Wagner, Dmitry Utkin, is an actual Nazi, with Nazi tattoos. He selected the name because Wagner was Hitler's favorite composer. Wagner still has plenty of Nazis and still uses Nazi symbology. Some of their units are straight-up Nazi, like Rusich and Zimargl groups and led by Nazis (like Alexey Milchakov). Here's their Wagner unit patches.


28 posted on 06/23/2023 1:03:08 PM PDT by ETCM (“There is no security, no safety, in the appeasement of evil.” — Ronald Reagan)
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To: marcusmaximus
This guy says alot. Most of it bovine excrement.
29 posted on 06/23/2023 1:10:34 PM PDT by McGruff (Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up - Barack Obama)
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To: marcusmaximus; adorno

He should have known better than to try to find the cup with the ace under it.


30 posted on 06/23/2023 1:17:07 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: marcusmaximus; adorno

I’ve said for twelve years that Putin was great at playing poker, and making bluffs, but one day he’d run out of luck. Gamblers always do.


31 posted on 06/23/2023 1:17:55 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: McGruff

You may be correct, but the issue is not how much credibility he has on FR but how much credibility he has inside Russia and how will his message resonate there.


32 posted on 06/23/2023 1:19:44 PM PDT by Salohcin
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To: nickcarraway
I’ve said for twelve years that Putin was great at playing poker, and making bluffs, but one day he’d run out of luck. Gamblers always do.

The war will end when Putin gets overthrown in a coup.

33 posted on 06/23/2023 1:23:36 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: McGruff
This guy says alot. Most of it bovine excrement.

Most of what he says is partly true, but exaggerated and twisted to his needs. He's sometimes a huge drama queen, but this rant goes a little far. I'm not even sure it's real.

34 posted on 06/23/2023 1:39:03 PM PDT by ETCM (“There is no security, no safety, in the appeasement of evil.” — Ronald Reagan)
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To: marcusmaximus

Right-and the US got tricked into a mail order presient ... because of Nancy’s pandemic trick

What a world!!


35 posted on 06/23/2023 2:14:42 PM PDT by SMARTY (“Liberalism is totalitarianism with a human face.” Thomas Sowell)
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To: marcusmaximus
How is that Ukrainian counteroffensive going? The one you and your ilk promised was going to yield results?

All the lies are coming from the Biden regime and Victoria Nuland, who went out of their way to assure this proxy war occurred no matter how many died, no matter how much territory Ukraine lost, no matter how many tax dollars were waste and regardless of how much the people of this country suffered because of it.

36 posted on 06/23/2023 2:20:31 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: marcusmaximus

What no pictures of Putin with his shirt off today, Marcus? Does mean Prigozhin is the latest object of your homoerotic desires? What is it about you and older Russian men? You definitely have a fetish.


37 posted on 06/23/2023 2:21:49 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: Kazan

You seem b1tt3r


38 posted on 06/23/2023 2:23:19 PM PDT by NotWokeOrCommie
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To: Kazan

Where’s Putin?


39 posted on 06/23/2023 3:58:31 PM PDT by marcusmaximus
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To: marcusmaximus

The Russian warlord Yevgeny Prigozhin is so dead.


40 posted on 06/23/2023 7:34:12 PM PDT by minnesota_bound (Need more money to buy everything now)
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