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Maybe they have finally figured out they can't move armor without an air defense umbrella.
1 posted on 06/19/2023 8:51:44 AM PDT by Mariner
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Temporarily Paused is the same as saying we are getting slaughtered and need to pull back or continue to commit suicide.


2 posted on 06/19/2023 8:53:53 AM PDT by srmanuel
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Ukraine is already dead. 80% of women under the age of 45 have left Ukraine and are never coming back, your nation is dead once that happens.


3 posted on 06/19/2023 8:56:15 AM PDT by Lancerdancer (Don't care what you say, I am still voting Trump and still not supporting Zelensky)
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Note ISW and all these relationships among our super neocon warhawks, who pulled the Maidan Coup etc etc.


4 posted on 06/19/2023 8:56:43 AM PDT by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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Offensive operations against a dug in enemy with artillery and air superiority has NEVER been a good bet in the history of modern warfare.

This is especially true when that enemy has had months to prepare and they have degraded your artillery capability. Last year the Russians fought a war they were ill-prepared for and the Ukrainians performed heroically in a mobile defense. This year, the Ukraine has been forced to fight a war on terms that favor Russia and it shows.

The Ukrainians cannot win a war of attrition against Russia. It does not make me “pro-Putin” to say this, it is just a tragic fact for both the Ukrainians, Russians, and my kids and yours.


7 posted on 06/19/2023 9:02:06 AM PDT by volunbeer (We are living 2nd Thessalonians)
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Nuland needs to be jailed for war crimes. Completely useless war and the dead have no recompense.


10 posted on 06/19/2023 9:09:48 AM PDT by struggle
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Maybe they have finally figured out they can’t move armor without an air defense umbrella.

I think they figured it out early. I think they had to go anyway to prove it to the Western Nations who grew weary of sending equipment that they didn’t use.

Now, it’s obvious they need an air power to remove the Russians. This is what nobody who is rational wanted to happen, because they will quickly get enough fighters to be a real threat to Russia.

Stupid war with stupid prizes.


11 posted on 06/19/2023 9:10:12 AM PDT by Pete Dovgan
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So much hype and investment into this counteroffensive ukraine has to win or the West looks like fools

no long range missiles = suddenly yes
no depleted uranium shells= suddenly yes
No F-16s = suddenly yes

A few F-16s likely won’t make a huge difference
Glide bombs and helicopter gun ships causing headaches

The next mission creep may be NATO (likely Polish ) troops in far westren Ukraine to free up Ukrainian troops to move to the front lines


12 posted on 06/19/2023 9:11:45 AM PDT by janetjanet998
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President Grease Spot is pausing the spring/summer/winter/fall counter counteroffensive to reevaluate tactics?

How about telling the Hitler youth to go home and reform themselves?

14 posted on 06/19/2023 9:22:43 AM PDT by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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Oh, Ok. Dang, they had my hopes up. 😗


15 posted on 06/19/2023 9:24:32 AM PDT by Tommy Revolts
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They are pausing to advance logistics because of the gains they’ve made. /s


18 posted on 06/19/2023 9:50:06 AM PDT by glorgau
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"Ukrainian forces may be temporarily pausing counteroffensive operations to reevaluate tactics"

19 posted on 06/19/2023 9:51:29 AM PDT by Fido969 (45 is Superman! )
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Offense ain’t defense, and vice versa.


20 posted on 06/19/2023 9:53:25 AM PDT by larrytown (A Cadet will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do. Then they graduate...)
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"ISW has previously noted that Ukraine has not yet committed the majority of its available forces to counteroffensive operations and has not yet launched its main effort."

The last two weeks were shaping and probing actions. The main attack is still to come. Yahoo, ISW, and looking up what Colonel Grosberg actually said, all agree on this point.

27 posted on 06/19/2023 12:53:18 PM PDT by Widget Jr (🇺🇦 Слава Україні! 🇺🇦 Sláva Ukrayíni! 🇺🇦 ☭ No CCCP 2.0 ☭)
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Ukraine pausing Counteroffensive.
TRANSLATION:

They need more American Taxpayer Billions To Continue.


29 posted on 06/19/2023 2:34:08 PM PDT by tennmountainman (FUJB)
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