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Many in Russia's elite no longer believe Putin can win the Ukraine war
MSN--- Insider ^ | 6-8 | Tom Porter

Posted on 06/08/2023 5:29:29 AM PDT by dennisw

Members of the Russian elite are turning against the Ukraine war, Bloomberg reported. They best they can hope for is losing without humiliation, the report said. However Putin shows no sign of wanting to end the conflict, it said.

Many members of Russia's elite are growing doubtful about the ability of their president, Vladimir Putin, to win the war in Ukraine, Bloomberg reported.

The best they can hope for is a "frozen" conflict or a loss in which Russia isn't humilated, the report said.

Despite this deepening gloom, Putin shows no sign of wishing to end the war, according to Bloomberg.

The outlet cited seven people with knowledge of the situation who asked not to be identified given the seriousness of the issues.

It said that many in the upper echelons of Russian politics and business are tired of the war and want it to end.

Five sources told Bloomberg that while no one is willing to "stand up" to Putin over the invasion, belief in his authority has been shaken.

"It is really surprising how widespread among the Russian elite became the idea of a chance that Putin won't win this war," Kirill Rogov, a former Russian government advisor who left the country after the invasion, told Bloomberg.

It is unclear what a victory would look like for Russia, but two sources told Bloomberg they hoped Putin would try and claim a "Pyrrhic victory" on the basis of land in Ukraine that Russia already occupies.

Alexandra Prokopenko, a former Russian journalist and central bank advisor, told Bloomberg that "'the best they hope for is that Russia will lose without humiliation."

(Excerpt) Read more at msn.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: admissionoffailure; cantwin; kremlindoofus; russialosing; tomporter
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1 posted on 06/08/2023 5:29:29 AM PDT by dennisw
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HERE IS THE ORIGINAL BLOOMBERG/BUSINESS WEEK ARTICLE That The Insider is based on>>>>>

https://archive.is/UM1bm

or

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-06-08/will-putin-win-the-war-in-ukraine-the-russian-elite-isn-t-convinced?cmpid%3D=socialflow-twitter-bloomberguk&leadSource=uverify+wall&utm_campaign=socialflow-organic&utm_content=bloomberguk&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter


2 posted on 06/08/2023 5:32:23 AM PDT by dennisw (Never attribute to incompetence-stupidity, that which is adequately explained by malice.)
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To: dennisw

The war is already won, except for the sight of the staggering NATO drunk bouncing around the ring before falling on his face. Biden lost, Putin won. That’s the deal.


3 posted on 06/08/2023 5:32:29 AM PDT by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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To: JonPreston

Biden is not even a player. Neither is NATO except for logistics. The players were David vs. Goliath. David equals Ukraine and Ukraine kicked Goliath’s teeth out and is continuing to do so.


4 posted on 06/08/2023 5:37:57 AM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (To the barricades !!!)
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To: JonPreston

Russia is the dead cat bounce of the old USSR.

Your cancerous Tsar Putin blew this war. Putin’s pathetic Putin’s idiot army is scrounging for tanks and artillery made back in the Soviet-USSR days.


5 posted on 06/08/2023 5:40:13 AM PDT by dennisw (Never attribute to incompetence-stupidity, that which is adequately explained by malice.)
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To: Monterrosa-24
No Ukraine is more like the Black Knight.


6 posted on 06/08/2023 5:41:11 AM PDT by McGruff (Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up - Barack Obama)
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To: dennisw

Nice, the original article is always better.


7 posted on 06/08/2023 5:42:13 AM PDT by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: dennisw

sort-of like Germany in WWII

the German people were supportive of Hitler’s wars at first ... but by 1943, they knew they couldn’t win, and that their “leader” was only in it for himself

same with Russia today ...


8 posted on 06/08/2023 5:42:46 AM PDT by canuck_conservative (there would be no more need for NATO, if Russia could just stop attacking its neighbors)
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To: dennisw

Russia remains willing to bombard. IMHO


9 posted on 06/08/2023 5:44:38 AM PDT by linMcHlp
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To: dennisw

Ukraine = Rump State


10 posted on 06/08/2023 5:44:38 AM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: dennisw

All your belligerent, child-like talk can’t change the reality on the battlefield; Putin won and Your Biden lost. We told you this would happen, but you chose to hug The Biden anyway. How does it feel to be tied to yet another Biden foreign policy catastrophe?


11 posted on 06/08/2023 5:47:14 AM PDT by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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To: dennisw
seven people with knowledge of the situation who asked not to be identified

Seems legit.

12 posted on 06/08/2023 5:55:54 AM PDT by Fido969 (45 is Superman! )
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To: JonPreston

Bidens not even in the game, however, his liege lord supports Russia.
In the meanwhile Putin is getting castrated, many recognize his failings and will act on it. What I see is an upcoming fracturing into the various states that make up Russia.

Who is out there is NATO with money, superior weapons and technology. Now add in a Lil deep state and American weapons manufacturers.

Asshat Biden has one agenda, completing the work of BHO, the death of America.


13 posted on 06/08/2023 6:13:20 AM PDT by himno hero (had'nff)
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Does it matters r?


14 posted on 06/08/2023 6:16:32 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET
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To: JonPreston

Spoken like a true Russian flack troll. Russia is obviously getting beat.


15 posted on 06/08/2023 6:19:28 AM PDT by amnestynone (We are asked by people who do not tolerate us to tolerate the intolerable in the name of tolerance.)
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To: dennisw

Yet another CIA propaganda piece.


16 posted on 06/08/2023 6:19:45 AM PDT by Obadiah
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To: dennisw
"Many in Russia's elite no longer believe Putin can win the Ukraine war"

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17 posted on 06/08/2023 6:26:56 AM PDT by ganeemead (Ukraine/Zelensky: Adding an element of chutzpah to ordinary Nazism...)
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Spoken like a true Russian flack troll

This is the same nonsense that Hillary, MSNBC & the FBI tossed at Trump and MAGA starting in 2015. You're ignorant and ill informed.

18 posted on 06/08/2023 6:27:46 AM PDT by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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To: dennisw

You’re a real Biden/Soros lover, aren’t you?


19 posted on 06/08/2023 6:43:48 AM PDT by Mr. K (No consequence of repealing Obamacare is worse than Obamacare)
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To: JonPreston

Wait! Yesterday someone posted that when they want unbiased objective info on the Ukraine invasion by Russia they look to dennisw for it. I’m so confused.


20 posted on 06/08/2023 6:51:43 AM PDT by desertsolitaire ( )
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