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NATO-trained units will serve as tip of spear in Ukraine’s counteroffensive
The Washington Post ^ | June 4, 2023 | Isabelle Khurshudyan and Kamila Hrabchuk

Posted on 06/04/2023 3:56:22 AM PDT by Timber Rattler

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To: Timber Rattler
But no American, or British "advisors" lending a hand with sophisticated signal intelligence to figure out Vlad's position and movement, etc.

None at all. Rest assured, this is going to be strictly a Ukrainian operation.

141 posted on 06/04/2023 9:11:12 AM PDT by OKSooner (Kevin McCarthy is John Boehner minus the excuse of alcoholism.)
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To: AndyJackson

Nuts. You seem to be unable to comprehend what you yourself are writing.

“You can’t have an army that has utterly destroyed and defeated the enemy and at the same time need a fresh new one to counterattack “

The straw man here is “utterly destroyed the enemy” - who said that? The Russian army has been repeatedly thwarted, suffered defeats and has lost many men and much materiel, but its not been “destroyed”. It’s not going to be destroyed even if it is defeated again.

Consider the German army after Falaise, a great defeat. It was not destroyed. It was chased out of France, but recovered sufficiently to man the Westwall/Siegfried line. In all that time the Allies continued to pour materiel and reinforcements into France and Belgium.

This last is bizarre -

” - you are willing to force people to be a liberal democracy at gunpoint so long as they vote your way.”

Where did you get that?


142 posted on 06/04/2023 9:17:32 AM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: Timber Rattler

Blood Orgy for the WarMongers

Sad. And sick.


143 posted on 06/04/2023 9:19:00 AM PDT by CapandBall
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To: mouse1

—”and the money of the good old USA!”

Do you believe that money is what motivates the troops?

Masses of Russian conscripts have not been paid or their pay has been confiscated.

Russian Troops Fighting ‘for Free’ as Pay Is Delayed for Months

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-ukraine-putin-free-payments-1789846


144 posted on 06/04/2023 9:27:51 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT ( "The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last messa)
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To: buwaya
The Russian army has been repeatedly thwarted, suffered defeats and has lost many men and much materiel,but its not been “destroyed”. It’s not going to be destroyed

That's not what I read. They are on their last bandolier trying to stave off a counterattack on their border. Read it right here on Free Republic I did.

145 posted on 06/04/2023 9:28:03 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: Timber Rattler
You're a Never Trump, Biden troll and that parrots the regime's propaganda.

This war is disaster for this country. We're closer to nuclear war and WWIII than were during the Cold War and its ONLY because of Putin and the Russian's restraint that it hasn't happened.

We've wasted $200 billion on this war. We started a sanction that the people in this country and Europe have gotten the worst end of. We're facing de-dollarization that could destroy our quality of life.

This war is being fought to put money in the pockets of our political elite oligarchs, who couldn't give a hoot about the rest of us. It's the Bidens and Soros that have gotten rich off our meddling in Ukraine.

Freep you. I'm not backing off you one inch.

146 posted on 06/04/2023 9:41:01 AM PDT by Kazan
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To: AndyJackson

You are arguing with me, I, a person, not some vague impression.


147 posted on 06/04/2023 9:41:23 AM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: buwaya

I am not arguing with you. I am belittling you and your entire crowd of AI bot propogandists. Drop the propaganda, start with facts, not factoids but facts, tell me where you think they are going and then we can have a discussion. But when all you do is stream propaganda, and when called on it dress it up and put lipstick on it and trot it out again I am not going to take you seriously as a peron because you are not behaving as a person.


148 posted on 06/04/2023 9:51:45 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: Kazan
Freep you. I'm not backing off you one inch.


149 posted on 06/04/2023 10:10:42 AM PDT by Timber Rattler ("To hold a pen is to be at war." --Voltaire)
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To: qaz123

“””So, while the country is being absolutely destroyed, these guys were being trained in small unit tactics, fire and maneuver, room clearing, etc etc etc...sleeping in nice beds, comfortable barracks or hotels, good food and drink, women, on demand water and electricity....all while their countrymen were being blown to bits.
Isn’t that wonderful for them.”””

Weird post, some are training while others are at the front and at sea, and others aren’t even in the military yet, others are in hospitals and rehabilitation, and others have mustered out, is there another way that all this happens in other militaries?


150 posted on 06/04/2023 10:11:56 AM PDT by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: ansel12

My post is weird?

Yours make zero sense


151 posted on 06/04/2023 10:14:09 AM PDT by qaz123
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To: Kazan

I’m seeing the figure of 20,000 152 shells per month by Russia.


152 posted on 06/04/2023 10:40:40 AM PDT by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: qaz123

Mine described the reality of the military in a war, some are in training while others are fighting, and yet others are doing other things.

Your post showed that you think there is something terrible and unusual about that, can you explain what your post meant?


153 posted on 06/04/2023 10:43:16 AM PDT by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: Timber Rattler

WaPo propaganda is always good for a laugh!
even made trailers for this long overhyped counteroffensive.
Bakhmut remains liberated...
damn good shovels
.
Ukes tried but couldn’t cross the border
update from neutral source DPA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBU4bRxaZZI
.
here’s a video you might enjoy
patriot firing in Kiev
the big boom about 1:30 is impressive
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oepttcw5fMQ


154 posted on 06/04/2023 11:12:40 AM PDT by CarolinaReaganFan
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To: Gaffer

Lol we never mobilized for Afghanistan, the size of our forces were never as large, as with Vietnam we had won the battles but politics eventually won. As having served in Iraq and Afghanistan I believe both were a waste, but losing not hardly. Xiden thought he could pull a good one on 9/11….
Pres Trump had already drawn down forces but was going to leave bagram active to support afghan govt and military.
So….


155 posted on 06/04/2023 11:42:34 AM PDT by blitz128
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To: blitz128

So. It didn’t happen as you ‘planned.’ LOL


156 posted on 06/04/2023 11:54:12 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: icclearly

“the Ruskies will be just fine with their win.”

If that’s winning, you don’t want to see losing.

You mention the US retreats, fine. But we dominated in each one militarily, before our politicians forced retreats.

The Russians aren’t winning and in fact, they were beaten militarily in Afghanistan.


157 posted on 06/04/2023 12:10:22 PM PDT by rbmillerjr
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To: Timber Rattler

“ When Ukraine’s long-awaited counteroffensive finally begins, the fight will be led by brigades armed not only with Western weapons but also Western know-how, gleaned from months of training aimed at transforming Ukraine’s military into a modern force skilled in NATO’s most advanced warfare tactics.…Now the war games are over….”
*********************************************************************

Yes…ANY DAY NOW UKRAINE WILL UNLEASH THEIR BLITZKRIEG.

Yes, it will launch ANY DAY NOW. But first the Ukrainians NEED YET AN ADDITIONAL THREE BILLION DOLLARS.

…or is it $5 Billion? Zelensky says GIBS-ME-DAT bunch of American taxpayer DOLLARS! We must give!


158 posted on 06/04/2023 12:36:08 PM PDT by House Atreides (I’m now ULTRA-MAGA. -PRO-MAX’)
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To: rbmillerjr
You mention the US retreats, fine. But we dominated in each one militarily, before our politicians forced retreats.

SURE. We dominated until we didn't in every military confrontation since WWII -- except for the mega superpowers of Granada and Panama.

Losing is losing, and if you believe we are winning in Ukraine, then you must believe in the TOOTH FAIRY, too!


159 posted on 06/04/2023 3:56:31 PM PDT by icclearly
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To: Gaffer

Not sure what you mean.
If referring to afghan then if Trumps plan had happened I imagine a very different outcome
Sort of like promising south Vietnam air support and other aid and pulling rug out from under them
Xiden had his own “strategery”


160 posted on 06/04/2023 4:43:46 PM PDT by blitz128
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