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British PM Rishi Sunak says Ukraine’s rightful place is in NATO
CNBC.com ^ | June 1,2023 | Karen Gilchrist

Posted on 06/02/2023 5:06:05 AM PDT by Timber Rattler

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To: tlozo
Also frame worthy


41 posted on 06/02/2023 6:21:09 AM PDT by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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To: BobL

From Wikipedia:

During the Maidan Uprising in Ukraine, Nuland made appearances supporting the Maidan protesters. In December 2013, she said in a speech to the US–Ukraine Foundation that the U.S. had spent about $5 billion on democracy-building programs in Ukraine since 1991.

Nuland was the lead U.S. point person for Ukraine’s Revolution of Dignity, establishing loan guarantees to Ukraine, including a $1 billion loan guarantee in 2014, and the provisions of non-lethal assistance to the Ukrainian military and border guard. Along with Secretary of State John Kerry and Secretary of Defense Ash Carter, she is seen as a leading supporter of defensive weapons delivery to Ukraine. In 2016, Nuland urged Ukraine to start prosecuting corrupt officials: “It’s time to start locking up people who have ripped off the Ukrainian population for too long and it is time to eradicate the cancer of corruption”.

During a June 7, 2016, Senate Foreign Relations Committee Hearing titled “Russian Violations of Borders, Treaties, and Human Rights”, Nuland described U.S. diplomatic outreach to the former Soviet Union and efforts to build a constructive relationship with Russia. During her testimony, Nuland noted de facto 2014 Russian intervention of Ukraine which she said, “shattered any remaining illusions about this Kremlin’s willingness to abide by international law or live by the rules of the institutions that Russia joined at the end of the Cold War.”

Nuland left the State Department in January 2017, amid the departure of many career officials who left in the early days of the Trump administration.

On January 24, 2018, The Washington Post published an interview with Nuland where she opined on the work of President Donald Trump and Secretary of State Rex Tillerson. She described an exodus of career foreign service officials and dysfunction within the State Department, and stated that the American judiciary and media were under assault.

She encouraged whole-government responses to international issues, stating, “Military leaders would be the first to say military solutions alone result in more and longer military entanglements.

In July 2021 Nuland met with Belarussian opposition leader Sviatlana Tsikhanouskaya in Washington.

In March 2022, Nuland expressed concern that Russia would get control of Ukraine’s biological research facilities during its invasion of Ukraine.

At a United States Congressional hearing in early 2023, Nuland stated regarding the 2022 Nord Stream pipeline sabotage, “I am, and I think the administration is, very gratified to know that Nord Stream 2 is now... a hunk of metal at the bottom of the sea.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Nuland


42 posted on 06/02/2023 6:27:01 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: tlozo
Everybody hates a crybaby.

ESPECIALLY A NAZI CRYBABY

And hohos can thank their own leaders for the situation the hoho pseudo-state finds itself in now.
43 posted on 06/02/2023 6:29:42 AM PDT by ganeemead (Ukraine/Zelensky: Adding an element of chutzpah to ordinary Nazism...)
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To: ganeemead
Everybody hates a crybaby.

LOL, russians "threatened" by the West.

Meanwhile in Russia: during Vladimir Solovyov's show, Professor Dmitry Evstafiev argued that the West wants to divide Russia by promising to supply its regions with Nutella, paved roads and indoor toilets.

https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1664317879527915529

44 posted on 06/02/2023 6:35:53 AM PDT by tlozo ( Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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To: tlozo

Berlin 1945

Aerial view of bombed out buildings in the Schoneberg section of Berlin following Allied capture of the city.

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/418060777915059933/

Luftangriffe auf Dresden im Februar 1945 - Bild 6 von 9

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/94012710963115004/


45 posted on 06/02/2023 6:37:06 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: Timber Rattler

Let’s hope they don’t bring back the Warsaw Pact and some countries in the Western hemisphere join and train their missiles (that maybe Russia will supply) on Washington.


46 posted on 06/02/2023 6:38:01 AM PDT by CodeJockey (a government )
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To: Brian Griffin
Now the ‘Russian bear’ will bear down to its maximum ability...Aerial view of bombed out buildings in the Schoenberg section of Berlin following Allied capture of the city.

Right, and exactly what will the "Russian bear" do worse to Ukraine?

Drone footage shows scale of devastation in Mariupol-2022

Devatated Mariupol

Drone shows devastated Bakhmut-2023

Devastated Bakhmut

47 posted on 06/02/2023 6:49:04 AM PDT by tlozo ( Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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To: Timber Rattler
British PM Rishi Sunak says Ukraine’s rightful place is in NATO

Yes Ukraine belongs in a Den of Thieves who Bomb Civilian Women and Children with Cluster Munitions at the direction of Albanian Muslim Terrorists, and run Human Trafficking and Prostitution Operations from the Nations where they committed their Ethnic Cleansing and Human Rights Crimes.

It's the People of America, the Constitution and the US Military that do not belong in the Globalist Criminal Organization NATO.

48 posted on 06/02/2023 6:49:37 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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To: tlozo

Hamburg, Germany, 1943, from the BBC:

“The big bombs blocked roads, shattered water mains and, crucially, blew out windows and roofs.

“Then thousands of incendiaries could start fires to cause intensive destruction.”

....

Kate Hoffmeister, 19, was trying to escape the furnace her Hamburg neighbourhood had become.

“I struggled to run against the wind in the middle of the street... we couldn’t go on across [the road] because the asphalt had melted.

“There were people on the roadway, some already dead, some still lying alive but stuck in the asphalt. They must have rushed on to the roadway without thinking.

“Their feet have got stuck and they had put out their hands to try and get out again. They were on their hands and knees screaming.”

....

“At this moment something snapped in a neighbour and, caught up in a panic, he took his bed cover and wanted out.

“None of us could stop him. We saw him still, but only as a living torch carried by the firestorm, ‘flying through the air’.”

....

She said: “We came out... into a thundering, blazing hell. The streets were burning, the trees were burning and the tops of them were bent [by the wind] right down to the street.

“Burning horses out of the Hertz hauling business ran past us. The air was burning; simply everything was burning.”

....

aircrews reported being able to feel the heat, getting soot over their aircraft and even the smell of roasting flesh.

....
upwards of half of all homes in the city were destroyed.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-43546839


49 posted on 06/02/2023 6:53:02 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: CodeJockey
Let’s hope they don’t bring back the Warsaw Pact...

Already tried and failed.

Russia's version of NATO is crumbling, with even some of its closest allies frustrated by Putin's war in Ukraine

50 posted on 06/02/2023 6:54:20 AM PDT by Timber Rattler ("To hold a pen is to be at war." --Voltaire)
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To: CodeJockey
Let’s hope they don’t bring back the Warsaw Pact

LOL, right like ANY of those former countries want to join with Russia.

51 posted on 06/02/2023 6:54:51 AM PDT by tlozo ( Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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“Then thousands of incendiaries could start fires to cause intensive destruction.”

Russians in Ukraine, been there, done that.

Bakhmut bombed by Russian forces with incendiary substance


52 posted on 06/02/2023 6:57:31 AM PDT by tlozo ( Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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To: tlozo

“exactly what will the ‘Russian bear’ do worse to Ukraine?”

Russia has an military-industrial complex capability comparable to that of the United States.

Putin isn’t imposing any 1% or 5% spending limit on his war machine.


53 posted on 06/02/2023 7:02:45 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: Timber Rattler

I don’t see Ukraine joining NATO anytime soon.

It may very well become a partner, but to be a NATO member it needs more structural and democratic reform.

AND, it needs to not have any open land disputes.


54 posted on 06/02/2023 7:11:45 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: JonPreston

“rightfully place in riding an elephant”

The Latin script is getting too difficult for you? Prefer Cyrillic?


55 posted on 06/02/2023 7:12:44 AM PDT by Cronos
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Funny how the Neocon supporters claim (correctly) that Russia cannot reconstitute the Warsaw Pact, which was the threat we were up against during the Cold War.

Without something like the Warsaw Pact, it seems to me that Russia’s threat to Europe is quite limited.

So they’re basically agreeing with us that Europe was never at risk by the Neocon actions in Ukraine...which, of course, leads to the question (since answered) as to why a war in Ukraine was so important to them.


56 posted on 06/02/2023 7:13:07 AM PDT by BobL
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To: Timber Rattler

According to Ivanpresto anyone who does not want to be under the Kremlin’s control is a Nazi


57 posted on 06/02/2023 7:13:30 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: BobL

I’m more worried long-term about Turkey, who has millions of Fifth-Column Muslim supporters spread all throughout Europe. And when Russia is out of the picture, they’ll make their move.


58 posted on 06/02/2023 7:15:05 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: MMusson

“Europe started WW1 and WW2. “

“Europe” didn’t start either. Europe is a geographical differentiation.

WW1 was started by Austria-Hungary.

WW2 was started by Nazi Germany in alliance with Soviet Russia


59 posted on 06/02/2023 7:15:16 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: Brian Griffin
Russia has an military-industrial complex capability comparable to that of the United States.

Ukraine is being armed NOT by just the US, but by the West.

Even russians on State TV acknowledge the fact that russia is outmatched by the West


60 posted on 06/02/2023 7:15:28 AM PDT by tlozo ( Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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