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British PM Rishi Sunak says Ukraine’s rightful place is in NATO
CNBC.com ^ | June 1,2023 | Karen Gilchrist

Posted on 06/02/2023 5:06:05 AM PDT by Timber Rattler

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To: Brian Griffin

Looks pretty good, but I’m not sure I’d want to send my kindergartener to a class run by Mrs. Blow.

https://stroud.kes.school/


21 posted on 06/02/2023 5:43:48 AM PDT by BobL
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To: Brian Griffin

Sunak is one of the VERY REASONS why this war happened in the first place. NATO is THE PROBLEM, not the solution. At the end of the Cold War, NATO basically agreed to hold it’s current expansion.

Of course, with Bush, Clinton, Obama, we decided to abandon that and now the Russians don’t trust us. Now we are proposing to park NATO military installations anywhere between 10s of miles to a few hundred miles of their southern border.

NATO is going to cause a nuclear war if we are not careful. The Russians deepest darkest fear is invasion and being made a vassal state. They will go to every end to avoid that. If they don’t think it can be avoided, they will upend the chess board. I’m certain of that.


22 posted on 06/02/2023 5:45:26 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: rlmorel

Forget about all the politics involved, just imagine getting thirty-one regular people to agree on anything. To get Turkey on board with letting Finland join cost the US a tranch of F16 fighter jets and probably more. I don’t know how we bought off Hungary. But some of Ukraine’s NATO neighbors likely will never sign off on Ukraine’s joining for their own political reasons.


23 posted on 06/02/2023 5:46:17 AM PDT by Gen.Blather (Wait! I said that out loud? )
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To: Timber Rattler

Idiotic talk like this gives Russia no incentive to do anything other than go for the maximal solution.....ie take Kharkiv, Odessa and the coastal strip along the Black Sea both of which are filled with a majority of Russian speakers.

If Ukraine is going to be in NATO, strip it bare and drive it westward as far as you can and leave it a completely broken rump state.

Good job Neocons!


24 posted on 06/02/2023 5:47:59 AM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: BobL

Very true, these people are all gas and no off ramp. And with the promise to Putin of a visit to the Hague for war crimes, it’s win this war completely, or lose their country. This is unquestionably the stupidest most dangerous policy that has ever come from Washington in my lifetime.


25 posted on 06/02/2023 5:48:36 AM PDT by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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To: kiryandil

From Wikipedia:

Winchester College was founded in 1382 by William of Wykeham, Bishop of Winchester and Chancellor to both Edward III and Richard II, in part because of the lack of trained priests following the Black Death. Winchester was to act as a feeder school to New College, also founded by Wykeham.

The first 70 “poor scholars” entered the school in 1394. Most time was spent learning Latin, the language of church services at the time.

In the early 15th century the specific requirement was that scholars come from families where the income was less than five marks sterling (£3 6s 8d) per annum; in comparison, the contemporary reasonable living for a yeoman was £5 per annum.

Winchester has its own entrance examination, and does not use Common Entrance like other major public schools. Those wishing to enter a Commoner House make their arrangements with the relevant housemaster some two years before sitting the exam, usually sitting a test set by the housemaster and an interview. Those applying to College do not take the normal entrance examination but instead sit a separate, harder, exam called “Election”: successful candidates may obtain, according to their performance, a scholarship, an exhibition or a Headmaster’s nomination to join a Commoner House. Admission to College was historically coupled to remission of fees, but this has ceased; instead, means-tested bursaries of from 5% to 100% of the school fee are provided, according to need. From 2022, Winchester admitted girls into the 6th form (year 12) as day pupils, with girls boarding from 2024. For 2022/23, the fee is £45,936 per annum (£15,312 per term) for boarding pupils and £33,990 per annum (£11,330 per term) for day pupils.

In addition to normal lessons, all boys throughout the school are required to attend a class called Division (known as “Div”) which explores parts of history, literature, and politics that do not lead to external examinations; its purpose is to ensure a broad education.

From year 9, pupils study for at least nine GCSE and IGCSEs. Every pupil studies English, mathematics, Latin, French or German, and at least two sciences at this level, as well as “Div”.

Between 2010 and 2018, an average of 33% of leavers obtained places at Oxford or Cambridge.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winchester_College


26 posted on 06/02/2023 5:51:18 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: Gen.Blather

I grew up in the Cold War era and served in it, was a believer in NATO and SEATO, but no more.

I would like to believe the assessment you offered, but I admit, I am too jaded now to believe the realistic constructive national intentions of various countries will win out over political orchestration to achieve violent ends.

But I will still hope.


27 posted on 06/02/2023 5:51:29 AM PDT by rlmorel ("If you think tough men are dangerous, just wait until you see what weak men are capable of." JBP)
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To: Timber Rattler

The Indian wants to destroy the West, and especially the hated British. No surprise there.


28 posted on 06/02/2023 5:53:21 AM PDT by Moltke (Reasoning with a liberal is like watering a rock in the hope to grow a building.)
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To: JonPreston

“This is unquestionably the stupidest most dangerous policy that has ever come from Washington in my lifetime.”

Tell me about it. Makes the Cold War look like chump change.

During the Cold War, at least, both sides had REAL MEN running things and therefore for less emotional/hormone-driven hatred of the other side - instead they RESPECTED the other side as competitors, but understood that both sides could lose everything, if they weren’t very careful.

Now it’s like: “Well Russia didn’t respond with WW3 to the move we did last week, let’s see if they do with our next move.”


29 posted on 06/02/2023 5:53:36 AM PDT by BobL
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During the Cold War, at least, both sides had REAL MEN running things and therefore for less emotional/hormone-driven hatred of the other side

100%

When Reagan and Gorbachev celebrated peace in 1991, I thought all this was over. When Hillary ran the Russia! bs by Trump and the nation, and got away with it, I knew we were in trouble. With people like Nuland directing things, I thank our lucky stars that Putin is a restrained men.

30 posted on 06/02/2023 6:00:37 AM PDT by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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To: Timber Rattler

I used to think Sunak was a smart guy.

Now the ‘Russian bear’ will bear down to its maximum ability.

Forty years of Labour Party extremism has made the Conservative Party mentally weak.


31 posted on 06/02/2023 6:00:56 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: Timber Rattler

Bbbut its not North and its not Atlantic.


32 posted on 06/02/2023 6:01:46 AM PDT by GreatRoad ('In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act' )
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To: Timber Rattler

He’s only saying that because he’s an idiot...


33 posted on 06/02/2023 6:05:27 AM PDT by ganeemead (Ukraine/Zelensky: Adding an element of chutzpah to ordinary Nazism...)
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To: Timber Rattler

armistice
plebiscites


34 posted on 06/02/2023 6:10:15 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: JonPreston

“With people like Nuland directing things, I thank our lucky stars that Putin is a restrained men.”

Putin (and Xi, for that matter) are able to see the BIG PICTURE, and thus haven’t taken the Neocon bait. Nuland is simply hell-bent to destroy Russia, driven by her Ukrainian roots, particularly how her grandparents were treated under Stalin.

I remember, long ago, that people who immigrated to the US were supposed put aside their blood-feuds, but now some of them climb their way to the top levels of our government to carry them out.


35 posted on 06/02/2023 6:10:48 AM PDT by BobL
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To: Brian Griffin
Now the ‘Russian bear’ will bear down to its maximum ability.

LOL

Darth Putin @DarthPutinKGB ·

I am concerned over the attempts to trigger a Russian response that will provoke us to do what we’ve been doing for 15 months.

36 posted on 06/02/2023 6:11:52 AM PDT by tlozo ( Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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To: Timber Rattler

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/could-russia-try-to-assassinate-british-officials/


37 posted on 06/02/2023 6:14:43 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: tlozo
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38 posted on 06/02/2023 6:17:29 AM PDT by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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To: JonPreston
I thank our lucky stars that Putin is a restrained men.

Restrained?


40 posted on 06/02/2023 6:18:53 AM PDT by tlozo ( Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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