Posted on 05/06/2023 6:28:39 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
The death of Jordan Neely reveals a wide societal belief that “any homeless person is likely to be violent or likely to attack them,” one expert said.
Protesters gathered on crowded subway platforms across New York City and marched down city streets in the days after a subway rider killed Jordan Neely, 30, by placing him in a chokehold for several minutes on a train in the middle of the day.
Advocacy groups and Neely’s supporters are demanding justice, requesting social services for people with mental health issues and calling attention to local policies that, they say, further marginalize unhoused communities in the city.
Shelly Nortz, deputy executive director for policy at the Coalition for the Homeless, said negative stereotypes and rhetoric about crime stokes an unfair fear and a general disdain for unhoused people, which leads to violence against them.
“When this population is demonized, it is tantamount to giving vigilantes the opportunities and the blessing to take the law into their own hands,” Nortz said. “This poor man was standing there in desperate need of food and water and was so emotionally overwrought by his need that he was expressing it loudly, but in no way endangering other human beings. The person who used his military skills to kill him needs to be held accountable for that,” Nortz added about the 24-year-old Marine who allegedly put Neely in the chokehold.
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Mentally ill folks, on the streets, used to be rounded up, institutionalized, got treatment, got hot meals, got a roof over their head, were safe, etc.
It is cruel to both the public and mentally ill to let them roam around cities terrorizing people and destroying themselves.
Now his “family” is coming out of the woodwork to demand “justice” i.e., money. Where were they when he was “homeless”? The guy had 42 arrests just in the last few years, he shouldn’t have been out on the streets harassing people.
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The rats in rat run cities closed the mental health facilities throwing them in the streets and city jail systems, opened clinics to dish out their meds and expecting these mentally ill people to take their meds. Just ask NYC Mayor deblowjob’s wife where the 800 million earmarked for her mental health initiative went? The rats caused this breakdown and now its a humanitarian crisis they want the federal government to solve by poring our tax dollars down the toilet
especially when they DO commit crime after crime after crime after crime. I don’t say that to inspire hate against the mentally ill; they typically are not fully responsible for their actions in any moral sense.
I remember eating at a large McDonald’s in a very upscale neighborhood. This guy came in, fell to the ground, started spasming wildly, pissed on the floor and himself, and screamed. No-one did ANYTHING to help him. So I called the police. The officer told me, “yeah, he does this EVERY NIGHT. No point arresting him; they won’t even hold him overnight.” That’s why no-one had done anything; they were used to it.
I get the civil-rights angle of not taking away the mentally ill’s freedom by putting them in a mental hospital against their will. I wouldn’t want the U.S. to become like Stalin’s Soviet Union with their barbaric “psychiatric hospitals” which were really literally torturous re-education prisons.
But if the mentally ill are actually committing crime after crime, I do believe that instead of ignoring those crimes, those crimes should be used to legally compel the insane to receive treatment.
“You pissed on the floor. That means 30 days’ jail. You’re sentenced to 30 days in blahblahblah hospital.”
Did the Marine know or even care whether or not Neely was homeless?
Or did he care about Neely’s out-of-control behavior (read:Breaching the public peace), indicating a high likelihood that he (Neely) would end up hurting someone?
If Neely was known by everyone in that subway car to have a proper home, but behaved in the exact same way, would that have given the Marine pause, sufficient to allow Neely to survive to misbehave another day?
That said there probably is a species of public misbehavior almost exclusively engaged in by certain homeless people that fairly shouts: In addition to having psychiatric problems, and/or enormous substance abuse problems, I am homeless, and have been so for a good long while.
Homeless equals crazy.
It’s axiomatic.
Where was Shelly Nortz and her organization? There’s no shortage of homelessness and more being made in Biden’s America every hour. Where was NYC? Where are progressives ever?
Turning untreated mentally ill loose to live on the streets and underbrush puts them, the public, civil society and property at grave risk. That’s why there’s the fear Shelly Nortz blames us for. If a man is having a violent argument with the thin air or inanimate object he becomes a risk factor to those around him.
The Left is working to create more addicts through their legalization efforts in contradiction to their war on big tobacco (notice that’s just become a tax revenue stream) a generation ago. I am a but if a libertarian conservative but I see how cultural tolerance of drug use puts children and others at risk.
My blood boils when a parent or parents are out with young children and they reek of weed. It’s not that rare in Atlanta. It’s child abuse and anyone around your “loud” self is at risk of a contact high. That’s an assault. Unfortunately substance abuse is also a cultural fact of life for the black community here urban and suburban. It’s hard enough living in ATL metro with the ever present exposure. I’d hate to see what happens if legalization came to Georgia. The purplish state will become blue for sure. That’s part of the plan.
He was NOT homeless because he was black.
HE was homeless & UNEMPLOYED because he was a mentally deranged person.
He had been behaving badly for a LONG TIME.
He ran into one person who was done with such threats to the public.
42 arrests displays the absolute insane attitude of the ‘JUST US’ system.
“Jordan Neely’s death reflects the inhumane consequences of being homeless and crazy, experts say
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Jordan Neely’s death reflects the inhumane consequences of choosing homelessness and being crazy, experts say
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In America 2.0, criminals are heroes and heroes are criminals.
With each passing day, it should be becoming more clear to us how Germans ended up being so comfortable living with a Nazis government.
The death of Jordan Neely reveals a need to get these people off the streets and into institutions where they can be cared for, treated and rehabilitated so that they can take their place in a peaceful and productive society.
May 5, 2023 - New York Post
Who was Jordan Neely? What we know about the man killed in NYC subway chokehold
https://nypost.com/2023/05/05/who-was-jordan-neely-the-man-killed-in-nyc-subway-chokehold/
EXCERPTS:
“In 2010, he threatened to kill his grandfather, according to sources.”
“Jordan had also racked up numerous arrests, including a 2021 incident in which he hit an older woman on the head and landed himself in jail for over a year. The victim, 67, fell when Jordan punched her on Nov. 12, 2021, and broke her nose, fractured her orbital bone and suffered serious bruising and swelling, charging documents said. Records indicate that Neely was subsequently locked up at Rikers Island from Nov. 17, 2021, through Feb. 9 of this year, and he pleaded guilty to second-degree assault.”
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May 5, 2023 - New York Post
Here’s how Jordan Neely’s fatal subway encounter took a deadly turn with a fatal chokehold
https://nypost.com/2023/05/05/how-jordan-neelys-subway-chokehold-death-unfolded/
EXCERPTS:
The tragic ordeal began when the 30-year-old [Jordan] Neely, dressed in dirty sweatpants and a stained white t-shirt, barged into the northbound subway car after the doors opened at the Second Avenue in lower Manhattan just before 2.30 p.m on Monday.
[Jordan] Neely immediately began tossing garbage around and yelling at frightened riders, prompting many to quickly retreat down the subway car, a witness told The Post.
“He started screaming in an aggressive manner,” the witness, Juan Alberto Vazquez, recalled.
“He said he had no food, he had no drink, that he was tired and doesn’t care if he goes to jail.
“He started screaming all these things, took off his jacket, a black jacket that he had, and threw it on the ground.”
As the train traveled one stop below Houston Street [Daniel] Penny at some point came up behind Neely and took him to the ground in the chokehold, [Juan Alberto] Vazquez said.
Then democrats need to stop encouraging it.
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