Posted on 05/01/2023 5:15:15 AM PDT by Its All Over Except ...
1/3 F*** the EU: Alleged audio of US diplomat Victoria Nuland swearing
“An embarassing phone conversation about Ukraine politics between two high profile US diplomats has surfaced online. The audio clip of a woman and man is purportedly between US Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and US Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt. The two people are heard discussing strategies to work with the three main opposition figures. She is heard telling him that she doesn’t think boxer- Vitaly Klitschko should be in a new government and also saying “f**k the EU.” The date of the conversation was not specified but the events it describes appeared to have taken place in the last days of January. It is not known who uploaded the audio clip and reports that it was the Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin have not been confirmed. This episode will be embarassing for the US as President Barack Obama has denied the administration is manipulating the Ukrainian opposition. Report by Ashley Fudge.
2/3 Trump publicly confirmed the Obama State Dept was behind the Maidan uprising in Ukraine [which has led to all of this mess].
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Q2Ta5gCw1xA&feature=share
Obama/Biden/Nuland were against Ukrainian sovereignty in 2014 before they were for it in Feb. 2022.
3/3 WION | Gravitas Plus: Did NATO push Ukraine into war? https://youtu.be/TzgPJeYZaOU
“The Ukraine conflict has been ‘westsplained’ enough. On Gravitas Plus, Palki Sharma tells you how Western arrogance & NATO’s expansionism are also to blame, how their actions precipitated the crisis in Ukraine.”
Take it up with Trump. He has said who is responsible. Maybe he’s lying and anti American? Your hero Biden is in deep kaka.
Read the other posts in the thread. It should help.
US failure to prevent the Russian invasion of Ukraine is the result of stupidity. Starting with the Biden administration approval of the Nordstream II operations. This was a giveaway to the foolish German government. Even the Obama administration was not so stupid.
There is no upside to this war. Its a loss prevention exercise for all involved.
Korea was only preventable through a completely opposite US defense-strategic stance from 1946-50. If the US had not run down its military forces and support to its allies to the extent it did. That, btw, is also most of the reason the Reds took China, a much greater consequence of postwar US policy.
I am quite familiar with the self-justifying claims of the Russians. They are, however, all nonsense. Russia, and Russia alone, started this war (back in 2014) because Putin and many other Russians have not reconciled themselves with Ukrainian independence. They view Ukraine as rightly a part of Russia and saw a chance to conquer it because of Biden’s weakness. All the excuses that Russia has made are just attempts to cover this simple truth. But I am amazed that there are so many who are willing to accept these excuses and justify Russia’s invasion.
It’s not designed for ground/building attacks. It’s a very low yield explosive designed for missile defense. They should just sell keep selling them off to 3rd world countries, I was under the impression that they had already done that, as they are obsolete for advanced current defense usage.
Its so obvious Russia is morally wrong by invading that most of the left and right agree and support helping Ukraine. When is the last time the left and right agreed on anything?
Well, you speak propaganda. In the end, I don’t even care. I don’t want western dollars and western lives tangled up in it. They made their bed.
Apparntly a railway junction was also targeted as seen in photo back thread.
No, the S300s are not ideal for the ground attack role, but they are available. Russia seems to have lots of them in stock.
Maybe they should have sold them off in a fire sale years ago, but they didn’t. You would have to take that up with the Russian government.
Also missiles hit a chemical plant in Dnepr Pavlohrad...according to Ukraine.
What complete self-serving nonsense. All that happened before Russia's invasion was diplomatic maneuvering. The Russians were engaged in it as much as the U.S. and NATO. Case in point: Russia's pressure on Yanukovych to repudiate the EU-Ukraine agreement and seek closer ties with Russia. None of what happened before either 2014 or 2022 justified Russia's two invasions. Russia, and Russia alone, started this war with those invasions.
According to the Russian statement, .... “the work of enterprises engaged in the production of ammunition, weapons and military equipment for Ukrainian troops was interrupted.”
This, right here. ☝️☝️☝️
Sure, I know all about those.
Winston Churchill even said World War Two was unnecessary, meaning, if the allies had done as he recommended before the war, it wouldn't have happened.
But none of that excuses the behavior of military aggressors invading another country without serious justification or just cause.
The fact that Churchill's contemporaries didn't do what he suggested -- which was, btw, to get tough with Hitler in the beginning, while Hitler was still weaker than he'd grow to later become -- that doesn't make Chamberlain, et al, responsible for the war, or prevent them from trying to protect other European countries from Hitler's aggressions.
The same is true with the NoKos in 1950 and Saddam in 1991.
In both cases, just like Hitler, aggressors perceived Western weakness and took the opportunity to do what aggressors naturally do -- invade their weaker neighbors.
It is exactly the same with Vlad the Invader in 2008 in Georgia, 2014 in Ukraine and round two in 2022.
There is only one answer to aggressors, and that is they must be defeated while they are still weak, else they will grow stronger and increasingly difficult to defeat later.
nicollo: "U.S. diplomacy could have stopped all of them but did not, either from stupidity, willful ignorance, or, as clearly is the case with Ukraine, duplicity."
Sure, I have no doubt that under a Pres. Trump there would be no second invasion of Ukraine, or a first one either, had he been in charge in 2014.
Russians are not stupid, they know and respect genuine military force, just as they can smell weakness the way, in nature, a scavenger can smell a rotting corpse from miles away.
But all of that is irrelevant today.
Today there is only one imperative: Vlad the Invader must be defeated, and his orcs must die, or surrender or retreat the h*ll back to Russia.
Anything will be disastrous for the world, and for the USA especially.
As for your alleged "duplicity", Vlad the Invader is arguably the most brilliant Russian, and he was not "duped" into anything, much less into invading Ukraine twice!
Instead, Vlad wanted to annex Crimea, and so he did, in 2014.
Then he wanted to defeat Ukraine and annex the Donbas, and that's what he's still trying to do now, though the issue is not yet 100% decided.
Common sense works.
Seriously, just why do the Ukes have massive piles of ammo stored at just one location? It makes for a perfect target.
Common sense tells us that the Ukrainians don't have "massive piles of ammo stored at just one location".
Reports today, and even last night from locals indicate that the target was a warehouse of old ICBM boosters from the 1990s that contain a lot of solid rocket fuel. The Russians may have been concerned that the Ukrainians would recycle those boosters to build long range missiles, or use the fuel for other purposes.
Not much sense in trying to move a pile of old, scrap rocket boosters, but logical for the Russians to want to destroy them to prevent their possible use against targets anywhere in Russia.
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