Posted on 04/28/2023 6:56:31 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
There has been a little boomlet recently of talk about how Florida Governor Ron DeSantis is more electable than former President Donald Trump. I have heard this discussion on podcasts, I have read tweets and articles on electability and I have heard electability discussion on talk radio. The genesis of this discussion seems to be a poll of registered voters commissioned by the Wall Street Journal showing DeSantis leads Biden by 3 points, while Trump trails Biden by 3 points.
Ignoring the issue of registered voters rather than likely voters, those are some interesting poll results to some people. At least some people seem to think it indicates something about Donald Trump’s electability. Those people must have short memories.
This is the same Donald Trump who polls said had no chance to win the 2016 presidential election. The winner of the 2016 election was of course Donald Trump. This is the same Donald Trump that polls said was going to be blown out in the 2020 presidential election. That election was so tight the counting dragged on for days until Joe Biden was declared the winner 3 days after the election.
Specifically, in 2016 the final Real Clear Politics average of polls had the Trump vote 3.9 percentage points lower than his final tally. Similarly, in 2020 the final Real Clear Politics average of polls had the Trump vote 3.6 percentage points lower than the final total. (One is welcome to argue and maybe would be right that the 2020 vote totals are suspect, but for sake of this discussion I am ignoring that.) Even more specifically the last NBC/Wall Street Journal poll in 2016 had Trump trailing by 5-percentage points while their last poll in 2020 had Biden with a 10-percentage points behind!
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unclebankster wrote: “Why don’t you ask suburban woman, independents, & Biden Republicans that question? “
The question (Have you enjoyed the Biden presidency?) was directed towards a poster who said they would only vote for Trump. Failing to vote for the republican nominee is a vote for Biden.
Got it.
Thanks.
I get what you’re saying, but think your chastising an “only Trump voter” misses the reality of recent history.
Trump was the nominee in 2016 & 2020. The Trump voter stuck with Trump. In 2024 he is the likely nominee.
In 2016 and 2020 you had Republicans leaders & voters, voting for Clinton, Biden, and 3rd parties.
So the Trump voter “making threats” is worse than actual Republicans bailing on the nominee in 2016, 2020, & 2024?
unclebankster wrote: “I get what you’re saying, but think your chastising an “only Trump voter” misses the reality of recent history. ... So the Trump voter “making threats” is worse than actual Republicans bailing on the nominee in 2016, 2020, & 2024?””
The point is anyone not voting for the Republican nominee is voting for the Democratic nominee.
How can anybody hate the country that much is staggering.
How can anybody hate the country that much is staggering.
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True statement.
W Bush, Jeb Bush, Romney, McCain, Kasich, Sasse, suburban women, independents, Biden Republicans, etc
“All hate our country.”
The very fact that they have gone full bore commie with no attempt to disguise it, tells me they are very, very sure they can not lose. Even worse they are sure they can defeat any attempted insurrection with their woke military.
Give it a break. McCain is dead five years. He caused about the same with Reagan and his love of amnesty. Thankfully none of the others mentioned signed an amnesty bill like Reagan did.
If Trump can't win, no one can, so peddle the discontent somewhere else.
itsahoot wrote: “If Trump can’t win, no one can, so peddle the discontent somewhere else.”
I doubt that very much. Just about any Republican, except Trump, would demolish Biden. Trump has too much baggage and there are too many who would vote for anyone except Trump.
So you are ok with losing those votes with anyone but Trump? Got it. By the way I will not vote for anyone but Trump so campaign accordingly.
Apparently you do or you would be supporting Trump not some deep stater like Bush.
At some point a "Republican" will have to be elected just to keep the scam going a while longer. There will, of course, be no substantive changes in governance.
itsahoot wrote: “So you are ok with losing those votes with anyone but Trump? Got it. By the way I will not vote for anyone but Trump so campaign accordingly.”
My point is vote for whoever you want in the primary but vote for the republican nominee in the general. Anything else is a vote for Biden.
I’ll support trump if he gets the nomination.
Nope anything other than a vote for Trump is a vote for Biden/Deep State' agenda because if Trump doesn't win the nomination it will be because the election was rigged and the GOPe was in on it.
itsahoot wrote: “Nope anything other than a vote for Trump is a vote for Biden/Deep State’ agenda because if Trump doesn’t win the nomination it will be because the election was rigged and the GOPe was in on it.”
In the primaries vote for Trump, but if he’s not the nominee then vote for who is. Anything else is a vote for Biden.
Most recent battleground state polls from fivethirtyeight.com
Arizona:
Biden 45% -- Trump 44%
DeSantis 48% -- Biden 42%
Georgia:
Biden 44% -- Trump 43%
DeSantis 47% -- Biden 46%
North Carolina:
Biden 45% -- Trump 43%
DeSantis 44% -- Biden 41%
Nevada:
Biden 46% -- Trump 45%
DeSantis 44% -- Biden 41%
Michigan:
Biden 45% -- Trump 42%
DeSantis 45% -- Biden 43%
Pennsylvania:
Biden 46% -- Trump 42%
DeSantis 45% -- Biden 42%
Wisconsin:
Biden 47% -- Trump 44%
DeSantis 46% -- Biden 46%
Virginia:
Biden 47% -- Trump 46%
DeSantis48% -- Biden 43%
Ignore the polls, it’s HOW THE VOTES ARE COUNTED that will once again determine the next President.
2020 and 2022 have already set the precedent.
So, why push Trump if it’s already accepted he’s going to lose?
Shall we again do the same thing in 2028? 2032?
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