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Libertarians on the new multipolar world order: why the US needs to adjust
Yeni Safak ^

Posted on 04/16/2023 6:09:46 AM PDT by FarCenter

In my previous column, I discussed the views of what I dubbed as the "Hot-headed" faction of the "Anti-China Party" in the U.S., who believe that the conflict in Ukraine is hindering Washington from focusing on China. Meanwhile, as you may recall, the "Hot-headed" faction supports leaving the defense of Ukraine and Europe more broadly to European powers. I also mentioned that the "Hot-headed" faction is skeptical of European assistance in the event of a U.S.-China conflict.

The arguments put forth by the "Emergency" faction are also voiced by American Libertarians. However, unlike the "Hot-headed" faction, Libertarians do not want the U.S. to engage in foreign wars based on these arguments. According to Libertarians, who base their beliefs on the principles of the founding fathers of the U.S., the U.S. should not go out searching for monsters to destroy by venturing into foreign lands and seas.

Libertarians also believe that the U.S. should limit its defense spending and military aid to other countries. Senator Rand Paul is the strongest voice for Libertarianism in the U.S. Congress. Libertarians clash with strict Trump supporters on the issue of ending "endless wars." They are also highly contentious with Neoconservatives and Globalists. According to Libertarians, neither "Ukraine" nor "Taiwan" are of any concern to U.S. national security. Libertarians, who emphasize that the U.S. is engaged in a "proxy war" with Russia in Ukraine, see the escalation of the conflict as too risky for the U.S. Libertarians, who argue that giving Ukraine the green light for NATO membership provokes Russia, believe that the U.S. must accept its role in starting the war, begin talks with Russia, and push Kyiv towards peace.

While strongly criticizing the occupation of Ukraine, Libertarians argue that American policymakers should approach this issue not as a global moral crusade, but as a European security issue. According to Libertarians, U.S. "Cold War/Atlanticist" policies have led Europeans to be lax about European security and defense. Washington should change its policy to force Europe to take the initiative.

According to Libertarians, warning that the Biden administration's policy of weakening Russia will make Moscow more dependent on Beijing, the U.S. should not risk a nuclear war with Russia. The ultimate goal of the U.S. should be to integrate a peaceful Russia into the international system.

Libertarians also hold similar views on Taiwan and China. They emphasize that a conflict with China would drag East Asia into war, which would then continue to escalate, cause a global economic crisis, and even endanger Americans in their own country. Libertarians support Taiwan's right to self-determination, but this support does not require the U.S. to risk a war with a nuclear power like China. According to libertarians, Taiwan is crucial enough for Beijing to take any risk. However, being more than 12,000 kilometers away from the US, Taiwan is not important for America's security and direct defense. The libertarians point out that China's acquisition of Taiwan will not make U.S. territories more vulnerable.


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Why the Ukraine-Russia conflict is hindering US focus on Asia-Pacific

https://www.yenisafak.com/en/columns/abdullah-muradoglu/why-the-ukraine-russia-conflict-is-hindering-us-focus-on-asia-pacific-3663336

1 posted on 04/16/2023 6:09:46 AM PDT by FarCenter
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To: FarCenter

This guy ignores certain facts:
Trump kept us out of wars while he was president, and the Ruskies and Chinese knew it was best not to push him
Trump forced the Euroweenies to contribute more to their own defence
And more...


2 posted on 04/16/2023 6:20:02 AM PDT by TStro (Better to die on your feet than live on your knees)
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To: FarCenter

People don’t understand how much the US-led, and often US-forced, global economic order underlies the way the modern world works.

If the US stops guaranteeing globalized free trade, it will end, and that will mean an end to many of the economic products we depend upon.


3 posted on 04/16/2023 6:26:20 AM PDT by jdege
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To: jdege
If the US stops guaranteeing globalized free trade, it will end, and that will mean an end to many of the economic products we depend upon temporarily until the USA repatriats industry and becomes a superpower again.

Fixed it.


4 posted on 04/16/2023 6:30:59 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: jdege

US stops guaranteeing globalized free trade = would be the greatest thing ever. F “free trade” it has ruined us.


5 posted on 04/16/2023 6:31:45 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: FarCenter

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6 posted on 04/16/2023 6:31:50 AM PDT by sauropod (“If they don’t believe our lies, well, that’s just conspiracy theorist stuff, there.”)
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To: jdege

The Dems have given it all away and Trump is the only one with the genius to get it back.


7 posted on 04/16/2023 6:32:20 AM PDT by chopperk ( )
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To: FarCenter

This “writer” “overuses” quotations to the point of being “distracting”, besides him being full of “it”.


8 posted on 04/16/2023 6:43:54 AM PDT by GMThrust
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To: TStro

“Trump kept us out of wars while he was president, and the Ruskies and Chinese knew it was best not to push him
Trump forced the Euroweenies to contribute more to their own defence.”

Yep, Trump is anti-foreign war.


9 posted on 04/16/2023 6:49:55 AM PDT by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: TStro
Trump forced the Euroweenies to contribute more to their own defence

Yes, that was good policy on Trump's part. Too bad he didn't apply it to all our "allies," including Israel.

Instead, Trump bragged about increasing aid for Israel.

Trump is bold before Europeans, but craven before the Israel lobby.

10 posted on 04/16/2023 6:55:31 AM PDT by Angelino97
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To: GMThrust; TStro
Yeni Şafak ("New Dawn") is a conservative, Islamist Turkish daily newspaper. The newspaper is known for its hardline support of President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan and the AK Party and has a very close relationship with the Turkish government.

If I want to know how US Libertarians think, I'll ask US Libertarians.

This article is akin to NPR publishing a piece on how Turkish libertarians think.

11 posted on 04/16/2023 6:58:11 AM PDT by DoodleBob ( Gravity’s waiting period is about 9.8 m/s²)
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To: FarCenter

At present Cina is the problem that China has in taking Taiwan.

There is serious trouble in China on multiple fronts. Xi has a full plate transitioning back to a more Maoist form of the CCP. Failing that, he can’t effectively deal with Taiwan beyond emulating Kin Jong Un and rattling sabers


12 posted on 04/16/2023 7:02:49 AM PDT by bert ( (KWE. NP. N.C. +12) Juneteenth is inequality day )
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To: FarCenter

“While strongly criticizing the occupation of Ukraine...”

Yeah, I’m sure their “strong criticism” is going to deter Putin and similar despots bent on expansion via conquest. Send Putin a strongly worded letter, that’s the ticket!


13 posted on 04/16/2023 7:42:37 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: central_va
I have never been a fan of “free trade,” but this idea that the U.S. is going to see a large-scale repatriation of manufacturing capacity is delusional. You simply can’t have $35/hour wages and Walmart prices for consumer products.

The most likely scenario is that domestic manufacturing will be a corporate-government fascist racket where Americans will be forced to buy overpriced products whether they want them or not — like military hardware, COVID vaccines, or electric vehicles.

14 posted on 04/16/2023 7:43:57 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I've just pissed in my pants and nobody can do anything about it." -- Major Fambrough)
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To: Openurmind

It Is The Economy Stupid and Biden is dismantling the US economy at the end of the day with his in-your-face approach to Russia and China and the ‘climate’ crap.

Trump is the choice if we are to save or salvage or rebuild the economy Biden is imploding.


15 posted on 04/16/2023 8:07:19 AM PDT by Nextrush (FREEDOM IS EVERBODY'S BUSINESS-REMEMBER PASTOR NIEMOLLER)
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To: Nextrush

I agree...


16 posted on 04/16/2023 8:27:18 AM PDT by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: Alberta's Child

I have never been a fan of “free trade,” but this idea that the U.S. is going to see a large-scale repatriation of manufacturing capacity is delusional. You simply can’t have $35/hour wages and Walmart prices for consumer products.

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You’re correct and I say this as a manufacturer. We’ll most likely get a bounce in domestic manufacturing through this decade. Especially if geopolitical trends continue their current trajectory.(Mexico will get a bigger bounce.)

Here are some factors working against a domestic manufacturing Renaissance.

1) We don’t have enough industrial buildings with the size and scale needed to compete.

2) Both capital & labor would rather not invest in or be employed in the sector, when both can make better money investing & being employed in other endeavors.

3) High real estate valuations, regulations, taxation, litigation.

4) Demographics, an aging population that will be reaching retirement & dying off over the next two decades, being replaced by people who don’t want to make stuff.

5) What is left of our industrial base is also spread out geographically and looks somewhat unorganized, compared to the large private & public sector corporations that provide the bulk of current employment.

The only way people will work in “manufactories” is if it’s the ‘only’ or ‘one of the best’ employment opportunities. Other employment opportunities would have to evaporate & dry up.

“That most likely isn’t going to happen.”


17 posted on 04/16/2023 9:15:02 AM PDT by unclebankster ( Globalism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.)
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To: FarCenter

We wouldn’t be facing a mulipolar world order if not for our bullying and arrogance.


18 posted on 04/16/2023 9:23:40 AM PDT by Kazan
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To: unclebankster

And I doubt that we have the engineers and capital goods manufacturing base needed to rebuild the product manufacturing base. Things like machine tools, conveyor systems, metering and measuring devices, pneumatics, hydraulics, etc.


19 posted on 04/16/2023 12:28:17 PM PDT by FarCenter
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To: central_va
The US built and maintained the global free trade system for the purpose of defeating the Soviets. Since then, it's been running on inertia.

Without out it, we'll be back in a pre-WWII system where nations can only depend upon resources that they can protect.

Some places will do well, some will not.

The nations of North America will do well, in that they're essentially self-sufficient in energy and fertilizers. We don't actually need the rest of the world to feed our people and run our industry, and we're having enough kids to keep things running.

Europe is going to have problems. Russia will be worse, and China worse yet.

20 posted on 04/16/2023 2:20:46 PM PDT by jdege
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