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Robber shot in chest while holding CPL holder’s friend at gunpoint outside Detroit store
ClickonDetroit ^ | March 16, 2023 | Derick Hutchinson

Posted on 03/17/2023 5:38:39 AM PDT by marktwain

An armed robber was shot in the chest while holding a CPL holder’s friend at gunpoint so he could steal a wallet outside a Detroit store, officials said.

The shooting happened at 9:53 p.m. Feb. 8, but the details of the incident were revealed March 10 in a criminal complaint.

CPL holder describes shooting

On Feb. 8, Shot-Spotter detected three gunshots in the parking lot of Carmen’s Delicatessen in Detroit. Police officers rushed to the scene and were flagged down by two people, they said.

One man approached officers with his hands over his head and told them he owns a concealed pistol license. He said he had fired a shot in self-defense while being robbed outside the store.

The man told police that he and his friend had gone to the store that night and noticed an old man and a young man talking outside. The younger man was wearing a blue Detroit Lions jacket and a ski mask. He was later identified as Joshua Fordham, the criminal complaint says.

When the CPL holder and his friend went inside, Fordham and the older man followed them, according to authorities. As they left the store and walked to their car, Fordham continued to follow, court records show.

Fordham began arguing with the two men and threatened to kill the CPL holder’s friend if the CPL holder didn’t give up everything he had, officials said.

The CPL holder handed Fordham his wallet, the complaint says.

While holding a black, semi-automatic handgun in one hand, Fordham patted down the CPL holder with the other, according to police. As he was being patted down, the CPL holder pulled out his gun and fired a shot, authorities said.

Detroit police said they found Fordham lying on the ground west of the store with a gunshot wound to his chest.

A loaded black handgun, later identified as a Ruger, P95DC, was on the ground nearby, according to officials. It appeared to have suffered a malfunction, they said.

An officer also found the CPL holder’s wallet among Fordham’s belongings. Surveillance footage

Detroit police officers said they reviewed surveillance footage from the store on Feb. 9. It showed Fordham wearing a Detroit Lions jacket and black ski mask and following the two men from the store, according to authorities.

They appeared to argue, the video shows. During the argument, Fordham pulled a black handgun from his jacket pocket and pointed it at the CPL holder’s friend while shouting at the CPL holder, police said.

Fordham found injured

“(The CPL holder) then hands Fordham his wallet, and Fordham pats (the CPL holder) down while motioning the gun towards (the CPL holder’s) head,” the criminal complaint reads. “During the pat down, (the CPL holder) pulls a firearm from his right hip area and fires a shot at Fordham’s chest. In reaction, Fordham points his gun at (the CPL holder). The men then run in separate directions.” Possession of firearm

Fordham’s criminal history reveals he pleaded guilty in March 2014 to armed robbery and a felony firearm violation in Wayne County’s Third Circuit Court. He was sentenced to 5-15 years in prison for the armed robbery charge and two years in prison for the felony firearm violation.

Since Fordham has been convicted of a crime punishable by more than one year in prison, he is not allowed to have a gun, authorities said.

The criminal complaint concludes there’s probable cause that Fordham unlawfully possessed a firearm.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: banglist; ccw; crime; defense; detroit; michigan
It is difficult for armed robbers to last long in an armed society.
1 posted on 03/17/2023 5:38:39 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Hey presstitute, WTF is a “CPL holder”. Maybe presstitutes should learn to use REAL WORDS from the english language


2 posted on 03/17/2023 5:42:16 AM PDT by eyeamok (founded in cynicism, wrapped in sarcasm)
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To: marktwain

CPL gun must have been small caliber, or Fordham would not have lived.


3 posted on 03/17/2023 5:42:47 AM PDT by Candor7 ( ( Ask not for whom THE Trump trolls...He trolls for thee!)<img src=""width=500></img>)
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To: eyeamok

Concealed pistol license.


4 posted on 03/17/2023 5:45:35 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (The politicized state destroys aspects of civil society, human kindness and private charity.)
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To: marktwain

The whole article was written terribly

Hopefully in the future articles will be written properly by an AI.


5 posted on 03/17/2023 5:52:24 AM PDT by algore
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To: marktwain
As he was being patted down, the CPL holder pulled out his gun and fired a shot...

Good form. Make it count.

6 posted on 03/17/2023 5:59:22 AM PDT by Libloather (Why do climate change hoax deniers live in mansions on the beach?)
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To: marktwain

And that is how it should be. We should cull these criminals from the gene pool one by one.


7 posted on 03/17/2023 6:08:54 AM PDT by joma89 (Buy weapons and ammo, folks, and have the will to use them.)
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To: marktwain

“...and told them he owns a concealed pistol license.”

I was not aware of the fact that you can own a CPL!


8 posted on 03/17/2023 6:11:30 AM PDT by Tom Tetroxide
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To: marktwain

“Shot-Spotter detected three gunshots in the parking lot of Carmen’s Delicatessen in Detroit.”

Shot Spotter technology is racist because it detects more gunshots in black and brown neighborhoods, and very few in white neighborhoods.

Seriously, the woke crowd in big cities are trying to get Shot Spotters removed using of that exact logic.


9 posted on 03/17/2023 6:15:51 AM PDT by Roadrunner383
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To: eyeamok

Commercial pilot’s license. It’s like we’re all supposed to know these abbreviations.


10 posted on 03/17/2023 6:18:20 AM PDT by nikos1121
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To: marktwain

The real problem is that the CPL holder resided in Deeetroit.


11 posted on 03/17/2023 6:19:35 AM PDT by bert ( (KWE. NP. N.C. +12) Juneteenth is inequality day )
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To: marktwain

Very poorly written article. Seems like the CPL holder waited too long to react.


12 posted on 03/17/2023 6:21:26 AM PDT by nikos1121
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If the guy already has the drop on you and weapon drawn, there is a significant chance you will not win the shootout that occurs next. In this instance, there was a good chance the "CPL holder's" friend would've ended up shot.

When they have the drop on you, often it is best to remain calm and wait for an opportunity and then seize it. Every situation is different. I'd say it worked out well in this case - no good guys harmed, and the bad guy got a new ventilation system.

13 posted on 03/17/2023 6:29:13 AM PDT by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy saints surrounded.)
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To: Repeat Offender

I agree. At that point you hand over the wallet etc., but I’m thinking he should have been suspect when the guy followed them out the door.

I think it comes down to comfort levels and practice. Since I’ve neve shot anyone, I would probably have done the same, waited and shot the guy, but I know friends who teach armed defense, and I would think they’d draw their weapons, from practice, at the drop of a hat, and shoot.


14 posted on 03/17/2023 6:42:14 AM PDT by nikos1121
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To: marktwain

Poor Joshua here was shot once in the chest. Shot spotter detected three shots. Perps gun jammed. Did he get off two shots at the victims before his gun jammed?

15 posted on 03/17/2023 6:47:55 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker

No. Probably just random Deetroit gunfire...


16 posted on 03/17/2023 7:05:14 AM PDT by Joe Warren
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.......”Since Fordham has been convicted of a crime punishable by more than one year in prison, he is not allowed to have a gun, authorities said....”....Phew....! we are sooooo safe...these convicted vermin are not allowed [sic] to have guns, but somehow, mirable dictu!!!, they obtain them...and the anti-gun folks want us, who are legally allowed [sic] to have guns, to give them up....


17 posted on 03/17/2023 7:14:22 AM PDT by TokarevM57
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To: eyeamok

Concealed Pistol Lugger.


18 posted on 03/17/2023 7:38:47 AM PDT by moovova ("The NEXT election is the most important election of our lifetimes!“ LOL...)
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To: LibWhacker

Dreadlocks are protected hairstyles in Arizona thanks to Katie Hobbs Now !
Little Josh can rest easy.


19 posted on 03/18/2023 8:20:30 AM PDT by Big Red Badger (The Truman Show)
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To: Tom Tetroxide
I was not aware of the fact that you can own a CPL!

Leased, maybe? $100 initial fee, $115 for 5 year renewals.

20 posted on 03/22/2023 10:37:24 PM PDT by gundog (It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. )
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