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It's nice to know the GOP Ukraine 'hawks' are almost 100% guaranteed to lose next year's presidential primary, as Trump or DeSantis being the nominee is basically a given at this point.
1 posted on 03/14/2023 2:29:02 PM PDT by Trump20162020
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To: Trump20162020

Another reason DeSantis is the real deal.


2 posted on 03/14/2023 2:30:14 PM PDT by Obadiah
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These "Putin Puffers" just keep cropping up, don't they?

Or maybe they're Americans concerned about the serious pronlems at home....

3 posted on 03/14/2023 2:31:52 PM PDT by Tench_Coxe
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5 posted on 03/14/2023 2:35:02 PM PDT by Bratch
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Isn't it strange that just as soon as we were free of Afghanistan, that the Deep State Military/Media/Industrial complex found a way to entangle us in ANOTHER perpetual war? One war after another for "democracy", constant war.

6 posted on 03/14/2023 2:36:13 PM PDT by Governor Dinwiddie (LORD, grant thy people grace to withstand the temptations of the world, the flesh, and the devil.)
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We know Bill Kristol is hard at work looking for someone else.

He’s got the time.


8 posted on 03/14/2023 2:49:32 PM PDT by WeaslesRippedMyFlesh (wake me up when somebody tells the <<you've been hacked!>>)
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I don’t like the idea that those who support Ukraine are “hawks”, and are put into a false dichotomy about the fight.

From my point of view, the #1 threat to the US right now is China. But Russia retains its #2 position by dint of its willingness to be aggressive, repeated incursions into the territory of its neighbors, and a desire to rebuild in some form the Soviet Union.

So for this reason, the Russia-Ukraine war is a good thing, as it is taking Russia down several pegs. That Putin is a secret policeman, and to a great extent has put his secret police into the planning and leadership of the war is a good thing, as they are incompetent as military leaders.

I am not shocked that Ukraine is corrupt, or that the US is pouring money down its rat hole. We always do that, and we have supported many allies worse than the Ukrainians.

Were India to replace Ukraine and fight China, I would be just as enthusiastic that they should be supported. It would not mean that I would be especially pro-India.


10 posted on 03/14/2023 2:54:56 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("All he had was a handgun. Why did you think that was a threat?" --Rittenhouse Prosecutor)
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No way DeSantis’ admin is not heavily influenced by those thugs. If he were to win it would because of all the deep stater. Trump is the only choice, period.


11 posted on 03/14/2023 2:55:11 PM PDT by wiseprince (Me,)
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So now maybe I can vote for 2, Trump & DeSantis, but the latter only “came out” on this yesterday, which causes me suspicion.


12 posted on 03/14/2023 2:59:56 PM PDT by Trumpisourlastchance
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it’s nice to know you use the new york times as a reputable news source...


13 posted on 03/14/2023 3:02:52 PM PDT by heavy metal (smiling improves your face value and makes people wonder what the hell you're up to... 😁)
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“ It’s nice to know the GOP Ukraine ‘hawks’ are almost 100% guaranteed to lose next year’s presidential primary, as Trump or DeSantis being the nominee is basically a given at this point.”
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Correctamundo. There will be a whole slew of “hawks” (aka neocons) splitting the 20% of the Republican primary voters who are eager to MAKE UKRAINE FIRST.


14 posted on 03/14/2023 3:04:39 PM PDT by House Atreides (I’m now ULTRA-MAGA. -PRO-MAX)
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We need to understand a complete foreign policy, of which war is a last resort.

Putin invaded Ukraine under both Obama and Biden. But not under Trump. Why? Trump used the old Republican slogan “Speak Softly. And carry a Big Stick.” Democrats loved to attack Trump because he was soft-spoken to Putin.

But Trump pushed domestic production of fossil fuel, not just for the US, but for export to W Europe and Asia. This drove down the price of oil. Trump was obviously ready to allow as much cheap oil as the free market wanted to go to Europe. Trump made a deal with the Saudis and almost all Sunni nations that pump oil to follow the US lead.

That was more anti-Putin than anything Obama or Biden do. Putin needs high price of oil to finance his war. Putin needs W Europe dependent on his oil. Putin is evil. But he is not stupid. Trump made it impossible for Putin to wage war. Trump stopped a war during his term without war.


19 posted on 03/14/2023 3:20:46 PM PDT by spintreebob (ki .h )
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Screw the GOP hawks.

IMHO, we should stop funding corrupt Ukraine immediately and continue the stoppage until all the other countries, added together, can match what the US has provided so far.

FJB


20 posted on 03/14/2023 3:30:15 PM PDT by upchuck (When you never took the vaccine or boosters: Still alive and healthy with no chance of side effects.)
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“While the U.S. has many vital national interests...becoming further entangled in a territorial dispute between Ukraine and Russia is not one of them”

BINGO!


21 posted on 03/14/2023 3:32:57 PM PDT by McGruff (Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up - Barack Obama)
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Angers G.O.P. Hawks

I want "GOP hawks" to mean GOP members who believe in strong security for the US, starting with a strong border wall. The Bush/Cheney forever-war ghouls can take their anger and go to hell. They are responsible for thousands of young Americans needlessly killed and maimed in Iraq and Afghanistan and billions upon billions of tax dollars squandered.
24 posted on 03/14/2023 3:48:00 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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Most if not all of the more prominent neocons left their (nominal) Republican credentials and returned to their real homes in the Democrat party during the Trump campaign or administration. “NeverTrump” was always just a re-brand of the word neocon. A few holdouts among the fringes of the base, but the politics of this are super-clear. And any candidate who wants, say, consideration in a Trump cabinet surely understands that.


28 posted on 03/14/2023 4:25:57 PM PDT by absalom01 (You should do your duty in all things. You cannot do more, and you should never wish to do less.)
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Good!
Listen to voters and NOT donors.


31 posted on 03/14/2023 4:37:12 PM PDT by Zathras
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>>GOP “hawks”

We have work to do to rid the party of these voluptuaries of the deep state.


35 posted on 03/14/2023 5:06:01 PM PDT by oblomov
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