Posted on 02/22/2023 5:16:47 PM PST by frithguild
The facethatsank a thousand ships..🤮🤮🤮
Americans didn’t live in Germany.
Still, we waged war over there in Europe to protect our interests against Hitler-socialism which was invading all over the place.
This time we do a proxy war in Europe, to protect our interests against Putin-socialism which is invading all over the place.
This time we use exclusively Ukrainian blood to do this.
We are not letting Hitlerism or Stalinism intimidate America simply because : we are not hippies. We have a consciousness.
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Straight KGB propoganda. Go back to the USSR, communist trolls
Exactly. And he posts from Sputnik. Probably from pravda.ru as well.
But its Russia…. Easy to stir up the drumbeats for war with boogeyman Russia. And if “we” arent doing the dying just the killing , even easier to sell. Proxy wars keep the economy upright during times like these. And with the media one sided take on it- its managed to stay approved by the public in general. Its okay though to admit not every war had a good guy. Sometimes two bad guys square off.
So when Nuland was at ground zero executing the most obvious coup in the history of coups in 2014 she was not involved in “Hitlerism and Stalinism.” Got it. Thanks.
On a different topic. I don’t believe Elon Musk is evil, but he is a Silicon Valley moron.
These people live in their own bubble there and it is very different from the real world.
Tell that to Elon and Trump. I'm curious to hear what they say after that.
They needed a new forever war to replace Afghanistan. If they get there way, Ukraine will look like Afghanistan in twenty years when they move on to despoil some other country.
And then somebody will get rich on all those contracts to rebuild the country.
Mo’ Money! Mo’ Money! Mo’ Money!
Of course, because Musk's view is one that is mirrored by the rest of the Silicon Valley bubble. < /s>
No need for this /s.
Silicon Valley is full of weirdoes. His buddy David Sacks hosts a talk radio platform where 9 out of the top 10 talkers are communists. The stupid fucks in silicon valley know and adore Alex Jones and believe he is the man bringing them socialism.
They are not normal there and don’t fit on a normal right-left scale. They’re just high one a “stupid moron” scale.
Mr. frithguild,
What are you talking about? Your brain has been washed. But, by whom...?
If you think the West did a “coup” in Ukraine (debunked already) in 2014, in that case you are also probably supporting the crazy main stream media pretending Trump also organized a “coup attempt” on January 6. Right?
All of that is debunked.
There was no coup attempt by Trump in America and there was no coup against organized by the west in Ukraine.
In 2014 there was the Maiden Revolution. That was the time when the Ukrainian people decided they had enough with the pro Russian puppet regime in KIEV which had been ruling Ukraine according to the Kremlin’s and Moscow’s selfish interests. Enough was enough! A great an necessary anti-commie revolution !
Ukrainians wanted independence from Moscow. Is that bad ?? Really ??
America also did a revolution against the British.. remember?
So was THAT as well an American “coup” against England, according to you inexplicable logic?
America had the right to become independent from London in my view!
You don’t agree with that obviously... strange...
PS.
RUSSIA INVADED CRIMEA IN 2014, by the way...
(Conveniently you forgot to mention that massive event...)
Woke people are seeing coups everywhere! :)
A total of 3,779 observers, including 650 from the Organization of Security and Cooperation in Europe, were dispatched to monitor the election.
https://www.oscepa.org/en/news-a-media/press-releases/press-2010/yanukovych-wins-ukraines-presidential-election
And thereafter, that the politics of Galicia and Volhynia became dominant was just a happy coincidence and not a design feature?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957
The greatest shame is that the US security state (State Dept./CIA NEOCONs) snuffed out a nascient legitimacy attaching to valid, internationally observed elections in an area where this is a foreign concept.
So you side with Galicia/Volhynia/Buccovina. I can respect that, but only if you own up to it. If those politics are better, then win an election. This requires debate, persuasion and secret ballots. Taking power by other means is, by the terms you introduced into this discussion, "Hitlerism" and "Stalinism." Thst the US is giilty of that is not debatable in my eyes.
P.S. Your arguments lose all persuasive force when you employ terms like "debunked" and "the people." I view the thinking of Focault and the Frankfurt School as a dead end outgrowth of Stalinism - the only utility for their devices is the seizure of power. The present condition of the Donbass is their spawn.
P.S.P.S. Perhaps someday your passion will be for peace.
You sure do like to run your mouth, punk.
“Americans didn’t live in Germany.
Still, we waged war over there in Europe to protect our interests against Hitler-socialism which was invading all over the place.
This time we do a proxy war in Europe, to protect our interests against Putin-socialism which is invading all over the place.
This time we use exclusively Ukrainian blood to do this.
We are not letting Hitlerism or Stalinism intimidate America simply because : we are not hippies. We have a consciousness.”
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What a crock. Tell your handlers at DOS (or DOD or Ukraine Embassy) this new talking point is a big fail.
Only someone who has no knowledge of history could think that makes any kind of sense at all.
Putin is defending Russia and Russians in Eastern Ukraine from NATO and actual Nazis as Azov. They even wear Nazi patches, for gawds sake.
Azov, with Ukraine’s blessing and support, bombed the crap out of the Russians in Eastern Ukraine for years. And NATO has been slowly surrounding Russia. They even freely say they want to depose Putin.
Putin is the only pne in this clownfu*k behaving rationally.
This one is entirely on the US, UK, and NATO. NATO is a solution looking for a problem, so they ginned up one, with the help of UK and the US.
Putin is not friken Hitler. What a dumb new talking point. Truly dumb.
You don’t understand the main issue.
You say Yanukovych was elected without fraud. It’s like saying Biden was elected without fraud as well. Right?
Evidently Biden won the election because of a rigging process.
Yanukovych won the election because of a similar rigging process.
BUT! :
In ANY case... why the hell did RUSSIA meddle in the Ukrainian election process to begin with, pushing for Yanukovych’s election!?
Ukraine is independent from Russia right? So why did Russia meddle?
They did exactly what you denounce about Nuland - they did it on their Russian side against Ukraine, and worse : they even invaded and ANNEXED parts of Ukraine soon thereafter!
Ukrainians can rigg or not rigg their elections, it’s their problem. What is not ok though is that Russia ANNEXE parts of a sovereign country that isn’t theirs. Russia must stop raping other nations.
Mr. Basket_of_Deplorables,
You said:
“Putin is not friken Hitler. What a dumb new talking point. Truly dumb.”
My answer:
“Putin has annexed by force: parts of Georgia, parts of Moldavia, ravaged Chechnya (making it a Kremlin puppet), then annexed Crimea, and Donbas, had threaten on live pro Government TV to nuke America, UK and France.
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You said:
“Putin is defending Russia and Russians in Eastern Ukraine from NATO and actual Nazis as Azov.”
My answer:
Putin Doesn’t Combat Nazism, He Cultivates It
https://www.internationalaffairs.org.au/australianoutlook/putin-doesnt-combat-nazism-he-cultivates-it/
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You said:
“Azov, with Ukraine’s blessing and support, bombed the crap out of the Russians in Eastern Ukraine for years.”
My answer:
Imagine if a pro-Castro Cuban community in Florida decided to suddenly break away from the USA and transform the Florida state into a separate country and become Cuban land. Do you think Washington wouldn’t react military? Really?
Thus, the pro-russians in Donbass helped by “little Russian green men” fomented a cession from Ukraine, and essentially became Russian territory.
You find that strange that after such a coup Kiev would not react and try to take their territory back? Really? Kiev want its sovereignty intact, and want all of Ukraine to stay united as ONE nation. Is that too much for you to handle? Why do you criticize that?
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You said:
“And NATO has been slowly surrounding Russia. They even freely say they want to depose Putin.”
My answer:
Nato never expanded into Russian borders, ever.
On the other hand, the ex invaded Eastern European countries, including Ukraine, had been under Russian occupation for decades... they lived through hell. When the Soviet Russian system momentarily collapsed, those previously occupied nations suddenly regained their freedom. But at that point they had no army to protect themselves in case Russia decided to occupy them AGAIN...
That’s why all previously occupied European eastern countries by Russia ran to NATO for urgent protection. They ASKED to be member of it (!) - so saying NATO is expanding by force is clearly misleading.
Without NATO those eastern counters would already have been taken back by Russia. Proof : Ukraine wasn’t part of NATO - thus it was invaded by Russia!
Same with Georgia, Moldavia... !
Russia has no say in other nations way of life and how they manage their own defense systems.
NATO exists for one purpose only :
Trying to contain Russian traditional imperialistic expansionism into other sovereign nations borders. NATO doesn’t want Russia to ANNEX other countries. America has never annexed any country. Why should Russia be allowed to that all the time?
The world has had enough with Russias expansionism.
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Mr. Basket_of_Deplorables,
You have been living in a dreamworld.
Time to take the red pill, and finally see the world as it really is, unfiltered, with wide open eyes.
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