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To: USA-FRANCE
Clearly, Nuland did all in her power to ensure something like this when power transferred in 2014:

A total of 3,779 observers, including 650 from the Organization of Security and Cooperation in Europe, were dispatched to monitor the election.

https://www.oscepa.org/en/news-a-media/press-releases/press-2010/yanukovych-wins-ukraines-presidential-election

And thereafter, that the politics of Galicia and Volhynia became dominant was just a happy coincidence and not a design feature?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957

The greatest shame is that the US security state (State Dept./CIA NEOCONs) snuffed out a nascient legitimacy attaching to valid, internationally observed elections in an area where this is a foreign concept.

So you side with Galicia/Volhynia/Buccovina. I can respect that, but only if you own up to it. If those politics are better, then win an election. This requires debate, persuasion and secret ballots. Taking power by other means is, by the terms you introduced into this discussion, "Hitlerism" and "Stalinism." Thst the US is giilty of that is not debatable in my eyes.

P.S. Your arguments lose all persuasive force when you employ terms like "debunked" and "the people." I view the thinking of Focault and the Frankfurt School as a dead end outgrowth of Stalinism - the only utility for their devices is the seizure of power. The present condition of the Donbass is their spawn.

P.S.P.S. Perhaps someday your passion will be for peace.

36 posted on 02/23/2023 8:02:06 AM PST by frithguild (The warmth and goodness of Gaia is a nuclear reactor in the Earth's core that burns Thorium)
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To: frithguild; All

You don’t understand the main issue.

You say Yanukovych was elected without fraud. It’s like saying Biden was elected without fraud as well. Right?

Evidently Biden won the election because of a rigging process.
Yanukovych won the election because of a similar rigging process.

BUT! :
In ANY case... why the hell did RUSSIA meddle in the Ukrainian election process to begin with, pushing for Yanukovych’s election!?
Ukraine is independent from Russia right? So why did Russia meddle?
They did exactly what you denounce about Nuland - they did it on their Russian side against Ukraine, and worse : they even invaded and ANNEXED parts of Ukraine soon thereafter!

Ukrainians can rigg or not rigg their elections, it’s their problem. What is not ok though is that Russia ANNEXE parts of a sovereign country that isn’t theirs. Russia must stop raping other nations.


39 posted on 02/23/2023 9:47:48 AM PST by USA-FRANCE
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