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To: frithguild; All

You don’t understand the main issue.

You say Yanukovych was elected without fraud. It’s like saying Biden was elected without fraud as well. Right?

Evidently Biden won the election because of a rigging process.
Yanukovych won the election because of a similar rigging process.

BUT! :
In ANY case... why the hell did RUSSIA meddle in the Ukrainian election process to begin with, pushing for Yanukovych’s election!?
Ukraine is independent from Russia right? So why did Russia meddle?
They did exactly what you denounce about Nuland - they did it on their Russian side against Ukraine, and worse : they even invaded and ANNEXED parts of Ukraine soon thereafter!

Ukrainians can rigg or not rigg their elections, it’s their problem. What is not ok though is that Russia ANNEXE parts of a sovereign country that isn’t theirs. Russia must stop raping other nations.


39 posted on 02/23/2023 9:47:48 AM PST by USA-FRANCE
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To: USA-FRANCE
You say Yanukovych was elected without fraud

I did not say any such thing. I simply gave a quote: "A total of 3,779 observers, including 650 from the Organization of Security and Cooperation in Europe, were dispatched to monitor the election." So do I understand correctly that you deny the truth of the facts within my quote?

Now, you argue that the 2010 election lacked legitimacy. Fine. How was this claim litigated? In the courts? In a new election? What is the correct remedy if a voter believes the election was not legitimate?

You may find me speaking in terms of the legitimacy of an election, if a Court is called upon to examine evidence and renders a judgment that the election was not free and fair. You also might find me speaking in terms of election legitimacy, if a new election is held and the results mathematically deviate significantly from the previous result. Otherwise, claims of election illegitimacy are ipse dixit and within the realm of propagandists and sore losers, who seem to love applying the wholly ambiguous legally insignificant term "meddling," (see. e.g. Hilary Clinton. )

You seem to argue that bringing in Victoria Nuland is a good thing, because the belief of the voters that voted opposite the election result about legitimacy are true. This is Frankfurt School induced Dunning-Kreuger thinking that is the same as Stalinism. Once you invite that vampire into your house, you have no choice but to become part of the coven. After that happens, anything and everything becomes foreseeable, viz the Donbas.

Finally, your appeals to how I view other election results are diversions. How about, if you are going to debate with me, that you attribute to me things I have actually written? Musk and Trump made comments about Nuland, which is the topic that I am addressing here, not the straw men you are trying to bring in.

41 posted on 02/23/2023 11:12:32 AM PST by frithguild (The warmth and goodness of Gaia is a nuclear reactor in the Earth's core that burns Thorium)
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