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Former British Air Commander Makes The Case For Sending Fighter Jets To Ukraine
Radio Free Europe ^ | February 08, 2023 18:10 | Vazha Tavberidze

Posted on 02/11/2023 5:15:31 PM PST by Zhang Fei

Now, in terms of the military impact, an F-16 is still a very capable platform: It has a good radar, it can fly well above the majority of the Russian sound systems in the area apart from the very, very specialized ones. It has a weapons system tied to that radar that can engage the vast majority of Russian aircraft long before they can attack it. The F-16 doesn't have quite the same stealth characteristics of something like an F-35 and an F-22. But I've fought against the F-16. I've had the odd trip in one, but I've also fought against it. It's tiny, it's hard to see on radar, it's even harder to see in the air with the naked eye. The F-16 is not called a viper for no reason. It's a vicious, nasty, dangerous little airplane.

If I was a Russian pilot with 100 hours training in an aircraft that I'm a little bit nervous about whether my weapons really work because I've never been allowed to use them in training or in wartime, I am going to be shit scared of getting airborne and wondering whether there's an F-16 up there.

And it's going to change the way they approach [the war]. If we can take Russian air power and limit its influence on the battlefield and over Ukraine in general, that gives Ukraine breathing space, that's then going to allow the combined arms effect of the artillery, the HIMARS (High-Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems), the tanks, and everything else to operate as well as it already has done. And this time do it without any concern about what's above. The combination of those two things will be hugely powerful and ultimately will make most Russians realize that they can't win....

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1 posted on 02/11/2023 5:15:31 PM PST by Zhang Fei
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To: marcusmaximus; Paul R.; Bruce Campbells Chin; PIF; familyop; MercyFlush; tet68; BeauBo; TalBlack; ..

Ukraine ping

A British air marshal is the equivalent of a 3 star general. At the link, he suggests that experienced Ukrainian pilots and maintainers would require at most 2 months to get operational with F-16’s. In his view, the constraints are all political - Biden’s unwillingness to supply the planes, not any practical considerations, underpins the failure so far to ship them to Ukraine.


2 posted on 02/11/2023 5:15:58 PM PST by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room)
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To: Zhang Fei

The Brits can send all they want. In fact this brave soul should strap himself in and go himself. But he won’t. They never do. If he didn’t have America standing behind him, he’d be selling shoes in Macy’s.


3 posted on 02/11/2023 5:18:07 PM PST by JonPreston
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To: Zhang Fei

Another western warmonger who has no idea what he is asking for.

“And if you want to keep doing this, you are going to come up against the full might of Western industry and equipment, and we have a lot more than you do.”


4 posted on 02/11/2023 5:21:35 PM PST by 2banana (Common ground with islamic terrorists-they want to die for allah and we want to arrange the meeting)
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Fighter Jets? Weren’t they 7 and 10 this season?


5 posted on 02/11/2023 5:21:55 PM PST by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: Zhang Fei

Ukraine ping

Air marshal Bagwell: “it can fly well above the majority of the Russian sound systems in the area apart from the very, very specialized ones”


“sound systems” looks like a transcription error, and should probably be “SAM systems”. That’s something I hadn’t heard before. If true, assuming SDBs and AMRAAMs are also supplied along with the F-16s, they could get much closer to the front lines than the MiGs currently in the Ukrainian inventory. Russian aircraft might have to fire their munitions from inside Russian territory, and Russian SAMs might have to retreat further behind the front lines than they currently are.


6 posted on 02/11/2023 5:23:59 PM PST by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room)
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Ukraine ping

Air marshal Bagwell: “it can fly well above the majority of the Russian sound systems in the area apart from the very, very specialized ones”


“sound systems” looks like a transcription error, and should probably be “SAM systems”. That’s something I hadn’t heard before. If true, assuming SDBs and AMRAAMs are also supplied along with the F-16s, they could get much closer to the front lines than the MiGs currently in the Ukrainian inventory. Russian aircraft might have to fire their munitions from inside Russian territory, and Russian SAMs might have to retreat further behind the front lines than they currently are.


7 posted on 02/11/2023 5:24:45 PM PST by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room)
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To: JonPreston

Britain doesn’t have F-16’s

They are talking mainly of Dutch F-16’s, currently surplus, and IIRC many of these are already in storage in Belgium, as the Netherlands is converting to F-35s. Norway and Denmark are divesting F-16s too.

The talk is of conversion training in Romania, which also operates F-16s.


8 posted on 02/11/2023 5:26:04 PM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: 2banana

Just another past his prime man who never got the hot war he thinks he was deprived of.
There is no shortage of people who risk nothing that want war.


9 posted on 02/11/2023 5:26:52 PM PST by EEGator
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To: JonPreston

BINGO!


10 posted on 02/11/2023 5:27:07 PM PST by laplata (They want each crisis to take the greatest toll possible.)
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To: Zhang Fei

HARM plus sdb for SEAD.

S300 and S400 aren’t too mobile.
May make room for fairly deep JDAM strikes.


11 posted on 02/11/2023 5:30:06 PM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: EEGator

Since you are all convinced that a global thermonuclear war is going to come whenever Putins feelings are hurt, then we all bear exactly the same risks. Be consistent dude.


12 posted on 02/11/2023 5:34:07 PM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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Ukraine ping

Bagwell: [Ukraine has clearly been an incredible nation in so many different ways and I mean that very, very sincerely— not only the resilience of the entire nation to just keep going but to be able to effectively dull a country of so much greater size, aggression, military might, and hold them at bay. It is unbelievable. In many ways, they’re their own worst enemy, because actually it means we don’t see how desperate the situation is because everyone thinks Ukraine is having great victories and there are times when they have, but actually, they are still under extreme pressure.

And I think that half the problem is trying not to oversell how well Ukraine have done, even though they have done extremely well. They’ve clearly been able to match the Russian Air Force to a large extent on the terms that they can. Yes, some of these longer-range missiles are harder to attack. And yes, some of that is done through surface-to-air systems rather than air-to-air systems. I’d like to believe Ukraine will find a way no matter what. So, it isn’t a deal breaker, but I don’t want to say that because I don’t want people to give the impression that yes, well, they’ll probably be fine. Because I think the risks are too high of them losing if we don’t help them to the maximum extent.]


Bagwell has plenty of astute observations, but the one he makes in the above excerpt stands out. “No good deed goes unpunished” is how I’d summarize it. It is astonishing that Ukraine is holding the Russian hordes back based on $50b a year in aid. We spent that amount every year for 20 years in Afghanistan, and it never looked like the Afghans could hold the Taliban back without US ground troops for most of it.

https://www.cbo.gov/system/files?file=2018-10/54219-oco_spending.pdf#page=20

And the Taliban were a bunch of rifle- and RPG-equipped part-time guerrillas lacking the fighter jets, bombers, cruise and ballistic missiles, tanks, APC’s, howitzers and even mortars that the Russians have.


13 posted on 02/11/2023 5:35:54 PM PST by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room)
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To: buwaya

There is no “you all”. I speak for myself, so blow me warmonger.


14 posted on 02/11/2023 5:36:38 PM PST by EEGator
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To: buwaya

Hush, foreigner.


15 posted on 02/11/2023 5:37:33 PM PST by JonPreston
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To: Zhang Fei

Please modify your Ukraine Ping list to reflect at least two propagandists who are no longer with us.


16 posted on 02/11/2023 5:38:05 PM PST by JonPreston
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To: Zhang Fei

Get Ukraine everything they need to defeat putin/russia


17 posted on 02/11/2023 5:38:51 PM PST by Sunsong
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To: EEGator

👍👍👍


18 posted on 02/11/2023 5:42:48 PM PST by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera)
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To: JonPreston

I am of course speaking of foreign things. Like Nato countries and the plans they are discussing. NATO guy, me.

So stuff it Russia.


19 posted on 02/11/2023 5:48:47 PM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: buwaya

Evil deeds by evil people, you included. The final Judge awaits your sorry ass. Bring asbestos undies.


20 posted on 02/11/2023 5:49:34 PM PST by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (I am a lesbian trapped in a man's body... gives me more rights. )
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