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1 posted on 02/11/2023 5:15:31 PM PST by Zhang Fei
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To: marcusmaximus; Paul R.; Bruce Campbells Chin; PIF; familyop; MercyFlush; tet68; BeauBo; TalBlack; ..

Ukraine ping

A British air marshal is the equivalent of a 3 star general. At the link, he suggests that experienced Ukrainian pilots and maintainers would require at most 2 months to get operational with F-16’s. In his view, the constraints are all political - Biden’s unwillingness to supply the planes, not any practical considerations, underpins the failure so far to ship them to Ukraine.


2 posted on 02/11/2023 5:15:58 PM PST by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room)
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To: Zhang Fei

The Brits can send all they want. In fact this brave soul should strap himself in and go himself. But he won’t. They never do. If he didn’t have America standing behind him, he’d be selling shoes in Macy’s.


3 posted on 02/11/2023 5:18:07 PM PST by JonPreston
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Another western warmonger who has no idea what he is asking for.

“And if you want to keep doing this, you are going to come up against the full might of Western industry and equipment, and we have a lot more than you do.”


4 posted on 02/11/2023 5:21:35 PM PST by 2banana (Common ground with islamic terrorists-they want to die for allah and we want to arrange the meeting)
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Fighter Jets? Weren’t they 7 and 10 this season?


5 posted on 02/11/2023 5:21:55 PM PST by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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Ukraine ping

Air marshal Bagwell: “it can fly well above the majority of the Russian sound systems in the area apart from the very, very specialized ones”


“sound systems” looks like a transcription error, and should probably be “SAM systems”. That’s something I hadn’t heard before. If true, assuming SDBs and AMRAAMs are also supplied along with the F-16s, they could get much closer to the front lines than the MiGs currently in the Ukrainian inventory. Russian aircraft might have to fire their munitions from inside Russian territory, and Russian SAMs might have to retreat further behind the front lines than they currently are.


6 posted on 02/11/2023 5:23:59 PM PST by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room)
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Ukraine ping

Air marshal Bagwell: “it can fly well above the majority of the Russian sound systems in the area apart from the very, very specialized ones”


“sound systems” looks like a transcription error, and should probably be “SAM systems”. That’s something I hadn’t heard before. If true, assuming SDBs and AMRAAMs are also supplied along with the F-16s, they could get much closer to the front lines than the MiGs currently in the Ukrainian inventory. Russian aircraft might have to fire their munitions from inside Russian territory, and Russian SAMs might have to retreat further behind the front lines than they currently are.


7 posted on 02/11/2023 5:24:45 PM PST by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room)
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Bagwell: [Ukraine has clearly been an incredible nation in so many different ways and I mean that very, very sincerely— not only the resilience of the entire nation to just keep going but to be able to effectively dull a country of so much greater size, aggression, military might, and hold them at bay. It is unbelievable. In many ways, they’re their own worst enemy, because actually it means we don’t see how desperate the situation is because everyone thinks Ukraine is having great victories and there are times when they have, but actually, they are still under extreme pressure.

And I think that half the problem is trying not to oversell how well Ukraine have done, even though they have done extremely well. They’ve clearly been able to match the Russian Air Force to a large extent on the terms that they can. Yes, some of these longer-range missiles are harder to attack. And yes, some of that is done through surface-to-air systems rather than air-to-air systems. I’d like to believe Ukraine will find a way no matter what. So, it isn’t a deal breaker, but I don’t want to say that because I don’t want people to give the impression that yes, well, they’ll probably be fine. Because I think the risks are too high of them losing if we don’t help them to the maximum extent.]


Bagwell has plenty of astute observations, but the one he makes in the above excerpt stands out. “No good deed goes unpunished” is how I’d summarize it. It is astonishing that Ukraine is holding the Russian hordes back based on $50b a year in aid. We spent that amount every year for 20 years in Afghanistan, and it never looked like the Afghans could hold the Taliban back without US ground troops for most of it.

https://www.cbo.gov/system/files?file=2018-10/54219-oco_spending.pdf#page=20

And the Taliban were a bunch of rifle- and RPG-equipped part-time guerrillas lacking the fighter jets, bombers, cruise and ballistic missiles, tanks, APC’s, howitzers and even mortars that the Russians have.


13 posted on 02/11/2023 5:35:54 PM PST by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room)
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To: Zhang Fei

Get Ukraine everything they need to defeat putin/russia


17 posted on 02/11/2023 5:38:51 PM PST by Sunsong
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I suspect any competent Russian High Command would order the immediate destruction of EVERY runway in Ukraine.

-fJRoberts-


26 posted on 02/11/2023 5:58:10 PM PST by A strike ("The worse, the better."- Lenin (& Schwab & Soros)
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To: Zhang Fei

That guy wants to see us go to war and extend the current one.


32 posted on 02/11/2023 6:14:16 PM PST by caww (O death, when you seized my Lord, you lost your grip on me......)
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To: Zhang Fei

Russian military pilots have expected to face F-16s for decades.

Russian air-to-air missiles and guns are probably generally comparable to those of the US.


49 posted on 02/11/2023 6:52:46 PM PST by Brian Griffin
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“most Russians realize that they can’t win....”

The Russians will get most of what they want from Kiev or Ukraine will receive most of what Russian non-nuclear weapons can do.


51 posted on 02/11/2023 6:55:04 PM PST by Brian Griffin
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Ping


55 posted on 02/11/2023 8:47:37 PM PST by Taxman (SAVE AMERICA! VOTE REPUBLICAN IN 2023 AND 2024!)
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To: Zhang Fei

From the many bits of news over the past few weeks, it’s become obvious that various western fighter aircraft are part of the plan for Ukraine for the near future. NATO nations are working through the details.


57 posted on 02/11/2023 11:19:56 PM PST by familyop ("For they that sleep with dogs, shall rise with fleas" (John Webster, "The White Devil" 1612).)
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They’ll keep fighting, until they get the aircraft.

89% of Ukrainians want to keep fighting even after Russian nuclear strike
https://euromaidanpress.com/2023/02/11/89-of-ukrainians-want-to-keep-fighting-even-after-russian-nuclear-strike/


58 posted on 02/12/2023 12:15:12 AM PST by familyop ("For they that sleep with dogs, shall rise with fleas" (John Webster, "The White Devil" 1612).)
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To: Zhang Fei

“Russian sound systems”

What is that?


60 posted on 02/12/2023 5:34:03 AM PST by ops33 (SMSgt, USAF, Retired)
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