Posted on 02/09/2023 11:12:40 AM PST by JonPreston
For the first time since the beginning of the Russian special military operation in Ukraine, a draft resolution has been submitted to the US Congress, in which a group of American lawmakers demands that the administration of President Biden complete the process of allocating military assistance to Ukraine.
The draft resolution is registered in the US House of Representatives, which, as you know, has been under the control of the Republican Party since the beginning of the year.
The sponsor of the draft resolution is Congressman Matt Goetz, representing the above-mentioned party. He is elected from Florida. Goetz, by the way, is one of the few congressmen who did not applaud the head of the Kiev regime when he was led into the meeting room of the building on Capitol Hill.
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Chant de Russie .............. Katyusha ....Valeria Kurnushkina
There are some trolls here on FR who pretend to refuse to see the connection, but most people understand - EVERYTHING that was done to Trump from 2015 onwards, the Biden corruption, stolen elections - was done by the SAME people in DC who promoted, and are running this war.
Conservatives should understand - you will never “get your country back” as long as these people continue to promote this war, and they continue in power. The two are absolutely linked.
Interesting, I don’t see anything about the repayment terms and interest rates.
Only 11 sponsors? Ok…
Absolute gospel. Obama handed Demented Joe the Ukraine Project to be administered by Victoria Nuland and the Neocon cabal in DC. Hunter’s laptop and a Trump impeachment should connect it all even for the dimbulbs among us.
fortunately, there’s still Europe
This guy isn’t 80 plus years old. He’s against this malicious mayhem in the US backed former state of Ukraine.
AND I don’t think he was stupid enough to roll up his sleeve for the clot shot. If he ran for POTUS I’d vote for him.
We agree. It’s their backyard
LOL!
I had to look because of the LOL...at least the ads were in English.
Oh no a voice of common sense and responsibility
Stamp it out!
The GOP leadership will not go for this.
Why? Because if they do and if Russia then conquers Ukraine and Moldova and threatens NATO the Democrats will absolutely say that the GOP gave up Ukraine to Russia.
And they will be right.
What’s more is they will resurrect the false ‘Russia Collusion’ narrative but this time they’ll have something real to give it a semblance of substance.
Careful now. We all see what happens to those who no longer promote the official narrative. Fortunately, our side isn’t killing deserters like the Democrats. At least not yet.
LOL - one of the eastern European Zeepers (can’t remember which one off the top of my head) posts that sometimes, usually when something particularly brutal has happened.
Regardless of where you stand, we knew this was coming.
I’m sure the Russians did too.
As the revolving door of democracy and appointed bureaucrats keeps turning, so do our policies and strategies change, sometimes 180 degrees in a matter of just a few years.
Good or bad, right or wrong, that is irrelevant. We are a myopic nation without any true long term vision or strategy to anything: security, immigration, health care, education, energy...
Anyone who claims we have a long term plan is either naive or lying, because the system of governance as well as extremely short sighted corporate business model (quarterly earnings), an audience with attention deficit (the public loses interest fast) lends itself to a three (3) to seven (7) year time horizon maximum. Iraq and Afghanistan where we also “cut and ran” were actually exceptions where we stayed the course far longer than usual. You just can’t keep things together longer than that.
Specific to Ukraine, I assume you oppose cutting Ukraine loose.
Look at it as “cutting our losses.”
Ukraine is a hole and it will stay a hole at this point. Our political and economic objectives have been lost. They will not be part of the EU nor NATO, the ethnic Russian areas are mostly lost including the industrial area in the East and major port city in the South. It’s a pipe dream that Ukraine will take those back, let alone Crimea (LOL). Pouring ever more into this place is simply adding to the sunk costs unless we’re talking about it in a geopolitical manner.
The only benefit to perpetuating this war is to weaken Russia on the global stage, i.e. their ability to fend off our intrusions into their sphere of influence, i.e. Venezuela, Libya and Syria. We are meddling in all three cases. What risks are we willing to assume and what are we willing to pay in order to weaken them?
Here are some sad truths about this situation which should factor into the equation but never did:
1.) No one can articulate a viable national security argument for why we should be there in the first place.
It always comes back to some Cold War Soviet boogieman that does not exist because Russia isn’t that powerful to where they could march all over Europe and it’s not even in their interest/intent.
2.) We had a huge role in setting the conditions for this war. May it be the leadership in Ukraine which is largely hand picked by us, violations of the Minsk agreement (foreign weapons, mercenaries and military advisors long before the war), the ballistic missile treaty and our building of a missile defense shield, or NATO East expansion. The later essentially caused the winds of war to begin blowing: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukrainian-president-zelenskiy-holding-talks-with-biden-adviser-says-2021-12-09/ (that was our call)
3.) The only one that can make a realistic national security argument (i.e. Just War theory) is our opponent, the Russians. To this argument comes the blatant hypocrisy where we expect Russia to accept something we never have nor would, i.e. why we had the Cuban Missile Crisis and invaded Grenada, and these countries do not even border us by land but are simply close and what we see as our sphere of influence.
Russia has a viable national security argument to make. Ukraine is 6 minutes time of flight for a hyper-sonic missile to Moscow (no reaction time). If we were to emplace missile defense there, it would be detrimental to the Russian nuclear capabilities. There are many major roads connecting Ukraine and Russia, they share the same rail gauge, Ukraine has many major runways which could support strategic lift and bombers. There are huge open and flat areas where a large mechanized force could roll into Russia, Ukraine has many large forested areas where it is easy to hide things. Ukraine has an infrastructure which could have supported a large and permanent force being based there without the need for logistical support from around the world (think Germany in the Cold War). Connected to other NATO countries (Poland and Romania mainly) logistics would have been easy and the Black Sea would have ultimately been under NATO control (Turkey, Romania, Bulgaria, Ukraine): https://ontheworldmap.com/oceans-and-seas/black-sea/black-sea-political-map.jpg
Ukraine in NATO is a big fat red line that was spelled out many times and it’s not that we didn’t know what the Russians thought, we just didn’t care.
IMHO, this war was caused by a gamble. We had been arming and training Ukraine for a long time. We made any military solution very costly for Russia and put them into a position where we hoped they would simply acquiesce.
We can play games with rhetoric minimizing or over exaggerating what doesn’t or does play into our side, but it’s an undeniable truth that we had a HUGE role in causing this war and perpetuating it.
How long should this continue?
What is your end game?
“The GOP leadership will not go for this.”
The reason is simple—they are owned or rented by the military industrial complex.
All this “policy” talk is naive nonsense for college sophomores.
They’ve already been paid to Hunter and the ‘big guy’ whoever that is.
Probably without realizing it, you are articulating the debunked, "domino theory." Get yourself to the library and read up on McNamara and Vietnam. Report back your findings when you feel comfortable talking to grownups.
Yep :)
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