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West risks war with Russia over escalating military aid
Irish Times ^ | 1/25/23 | Geoffrey Roberts

Posted on 01/26/2023 1:15:13 PM PST by JonPreston

From day one of the war in Ukraine, the most powerful argument against unrestrained western intervention in the conflict has been the danger of catastrophic escalation into an all-out war between Nato and Russia.

So far, western governments have shied away from a truly existential confrontation with Russia. But the threat remains that continuing western military aid to Ukraine will provoke Russian countermeasures that could turn Moscow’s proxy war with Nato into a direct military conflict.

Western hawks have long argued the danger of escalation is illusory. In an op-ed for the New York Times, former British diplomat Nigel Gould-Davies claimed “Putin has no red lines” and that, far from being deterred by fear of escalation, the West should call Putin’s bluff and threaten Russia with nuclear retaliation if he overreacts to western support for Ukraine.

Gould-Davies provides no hard evidence for his insights into Putin’s mind. His argument is pure speculation, and prompts the question: what if Putin won’t back away from a major war with the West? Should Nato be taking even a small risk of igniting a larger conflict that could kill millions?

Putin’s restraint in the face of massive western military aid to Ukraine has been remarkable but his forbearance may not be boundless. If the West goes too far, he may be tempted to risk a degree of escalation himself by, for example, interdicting western supplies before they arrive in Ukraine, or by neutralising the Nato surveillance systems that provide Kyiv with intelligence that enables deadly strikes on Russian targets.

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To: erlayman

...well not really. WE are being INVADED daily by thousands of military aged men from 150+ countries and the public yawns while DementiaXiden welcomes more and helps distribute them to all 50 states. State Reservists on the southern border are heavily outgunned by enemy cartels... ymmv


41 posted on 01/26/2023 1:47:19 PM PST by PalominoGuy ( )
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To: Codeflier

No, I’m sick and tired of hearing the threats from the Kremlin.

I remember very well the bullshit Russia pulled in the 50’s and 60’s.

If he’s going to start lobbing nukes, then let’s get this over with already.


43 posted on 01/26/2023 1:47:56 PM PST by Pox (Eff You China. Buy American!)
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To: JonPreston

China, mocking Putin’s chickens.

https://youtu.be/mxzgwJ8tSE0?t=48


44 posted on 01/26/2023 1:49:03 PM PST by familyop ("For they that sleep with dogs, shall rise with fleas" (John Webster, "The White Devil" 1612).)
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To: PGR88

If it makes you feel any better I wholly support Chechen independence.


45 posted on 01/26/2023 1:49:04 PM PST by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism. )
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To: Rockingham

Precisely.


46 posted on 01/26/2023 1:49:30 PM PST by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism. )
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To: PGR88

“kicked off by a coup in 2014”

Rather, kicked off by the Russian intelligence poisoning the elected President of Ukraine in 2004 after he beat the Russian puppet candidate, and then when that failed, they started supplying military arms to insurgents to foment a revolution in Ukraine.


47 posted on 01/26/2023 1:49:32 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: familyop
Has anyone followed up with Nuland regarding those bioweapon labs in Ukraine?


48 posted on 01/26/2023 1:50:40 PM PST by JonPreston
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To: PGR88
Yep. The rest of the world, except for Brazil, India, China, South Africa, Saudi Arabia and some other places.

India, Brazil and Saudi Arabia sent humanitarian aid for Ukraine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_foreign_aid_to_Ukraine_during_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War

49 posted on 01/26/2023 1:51:08 PM PST by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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To: MeganC
And I’ve repeatedly asked for Russia to end this war

Who cares what you repeatedly ask for?

50 posted on 01/26/2023 1:52:41 PM PST by JonPreston
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To: exinnj

shoo, Neocon freak.


51 posted on 01/26/2023 1:53:58 PM PST by JonPreston
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To: JonPreston

Well they sure wouldn’t need them if they’d already lost.

We’re now two days into Month 12 of “Three Days to Flatten Kiev.”


52 posted on 01/26/2023 1:55:34 PM PST by Flash Bazbeaux
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To: Boogieman

Please tell me you and your sons are posting from the front in Bakhmut.

If so, I will accept your constant war-mongering for American involvement and escalation in a corrupt financial scam turned filthy war, 5000 miles from our shore, as understandable, no matter how ignorant and dangerous

If not, you are a hypocrite.


53 posted on 01/26/2023 1:55:37 PM PST by PGR88
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To: JonPreston

British historian Geoffrey Roberts is regarded as overly sympathetic to Stalin and Soviet Russia and uncritically accepting of official Soviet sources. Roberts even described Stalin as “the dictator who defeated Hitler and helped save the world for democracy.” That is like describing an armed robber as saving his targets from the dangers of affluence and smug complacency about personal security.


54 posted on 01/26/2023 1:55:45 PM PST by Rockingham
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To: JonPreston

1930s...

Germany risks war with the United States by invading it’s
neighbors.


55 posted on 01/26/2023 1:56:45 PM PST by DoughtyOne (I pledge allegiance to the flag of the USofA & to the Constitutional REPUBLIC for? which it stands.)
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To: JonPreston

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56 posted on 01/26/2023 1:57:53 PM PST by sauropod (“If they don’t believe our lies, well, that’s just conspiracy theorist stuff, there.”)
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To: JonPreston; MeganC

I do, because she is absolutely right.

Hundreds of thousands of dead people is enough.

All this to satisfy Putin’s lust for power and to go down
in history as a great leader.

As if!


57 posted on 01/26/2023 1:59:33 PM PST by DoughtyOne (I pledge allegiance to the flag of the USofA & to the Constitutional REPUBLIC for? which it stands.)
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To: JonPreston

We will know when our grifting and fearless leaders have gone too far.


58 posted on 01/26/2023 2:01:13 PM PST by FlyingEagle
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To: Gene Eric

Lots of people want to die for corrupt Nazi Ukraine. Their wish may be granted.


59 posted on 01/26/2023 2:02:29 PM PST by Trumpisourlastchance
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To: JonPreston
So many Americans posting here do not get the (Russian) Orthodox faith. Russians also believe in the Russian soul. Russia has resigned itself to ending life on this planet. The most recent poll shows 80% of Russians are orthodox. I read a book on their country which explained how the faith is so widespread that their language and culture reflect it.

It was in the light of Paschal radiance that there came into being that entire philosophy of life of the Russian nation which had become accustomed to seeing the entire world from the point-of-view of the eternal victory procured for us by the Risen Savior, Who had vanquished the power of hell and death. From hence sprung its (the Russian people's moral fortitude; its exclusive serenity in enduring the blows of fate; the inner harmony of its heart; its peaceful resigned attitude to death; its unwavering faith in the final triumph of righteousness -- however much it might sometimes be scorned and abused on earth; this enlightened love of nature and of all men, whom [the Russian] considered to be his brothers, even though they might be alien to him by blood. It is here that one should seek the main key to the solution of all the mysteries of the Russian soul, which has not ceased from arousing the curiosity of the western world. However much the temptations of the world might delude and seduce him, the Russian believes unwaveringly that Christ alone is the Way, the Truth and the Life, and that outside Him, and without Him, there is no true happiness; and life itself loses its meaning, becoming an oppressive burden to its bearers. Humanity can live only to the degree to which it is capable of renewing itself and being reborn in Christ, Who constantly repeats the miracle of resurrection over it.

https://www.orthodox.net/pascha/1940-pascha-anastasii.html

60 posted on 01/26/2023 2:02:31 PM PST by MarMema (Biden = Americans Last)
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