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Ukraine's allies are finally sending the advanced tanks it asked for. Now they want it to embrace a rapid, aggressive style of warfare.
Business Insider via Yahoo ^ | January 25th, 2023 | Sinéad Baker

Posted on 01/25/2023 7:15:56 PM PST by Mariner

Ukraine's allies have finally agreed to send it advanced tanks, after months of indecision, but now want Ukraine to start fighting differently.

Western officials are suggesting that it adopt a new style of warfare and new tactics that reflect the high-level weaponry it's been given, CNN reported.

This would involve moving away from battles of attrition towards launching rapid attacks against Russian forces.

Three US officials — deputy national security adviser Jon Finer, Deputy Secretary of State Wendy Sherman, and Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Colin Kahl — met with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy last week, where they reportedly suggested the change in tactic.

The group said Ukraine should move towards a style of mechanized maneuver warfare that "uses rapid, unanticipated movements against Russia," sources told CNN.

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It appears the US/NATO has committed about an Armored Brigade Combat Team (this could progress to an entire Armored Division with ~170 tanks) in advanced armored vehicles, APCs, IFVs, tanks, trucks, Hmmves etc. It all NATO spec and interoperable.

First line hardware.

And now a bunch of US civilians are going to tell them, that in addition to assimilating all this new equipment, they are going to completely change their tactics...

Buy popcorn.

However it turns out it's going to be interesting.

1 posted on 01/25/2023 7:15:56 PM PST by Mariner
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To: Mariner

They’re going to burn like Ronsons...


2 posted on 01/25/2023 7:18:13 PM PST by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: Mariner

What a waste.


3 posted on 01/25/2023 7:19:38 PM PST by SACK UP
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To: Mariner

Must we continue the absurd pretense that this is a Ukraine/Russia war?


4 posted on 01/25/2023 7:21:59 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (The worst thing about censorship is ████ █ ██████ ███████ ███ ██████ ██ ████████. FJB.)
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To: Mariner
This would involve moving away from battles of attrition towards launching rapid attacks against Russian forces.

That is how they have conducted all of their offensives, charging straight down the muzzles of Russian artillery. Which is why they need all of this new gear.
5 posted on 01/25/2023 7:25:49 PM PST by yuleeyahoo (The nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master and deserves one. Hamilton)
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To: Mariner

The Ukrainians won’t be the ones operating this equipment. It’s foolish to think they could train on and integrate it within six months let alone a year. In addition, all that equipment isn’t enough without the coordination of air power. Makes me wonder what the plan really is.


6 posted on 01/25/2023 7:27:30 PM PST by Toad of Toad Hall (time is short and getting shorter)
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Maneuver warfare in that region is dependent on the season. I’d be surprised if off-road movement were used very much before summer.


7 posted on 01/25/2023 7:30:33 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (“You want it one way, but it’s the other way”)
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To: Mariner

“… The group said Ukraine should move towards a style of mechanized maneuver warfare that “uses rapid, unanticipated movements against Russia,” sources told CNN…”
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It’s a good thing, in this era of drones and satellites, that main battle tanks and all their logistical support equipment can be relocated on the Q.T. quickly. Those Russkies will sure be surprised. /sarc


8 posted on 01/25/2023 7:35:29 PM PST by House Atreides (I’m now ULTRA-MAGA. -PRO-MAX)
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To: Mariner

Next we send in the troops.


9 posted on 01/25/2023 7:38:33 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyranny is obedience to God.)
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They already were training with Bradley’s.

Of course the armor is suited for rapid movements. Can they master that? No idea.


10 posted on 01/25/2023 7:39:30 PM PST by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: Toad of Toad Hall

I guess we then shouldn’t expect much of the 500,000 newly mobilized Russian troops who are being sent to the front without any training, right?


11 posted on 01/25/2023 7:40:02 PM PST by Salohcin
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To: Toad of Toad Hall

I guess we then shouldn’t expect much of the 500,000 newly mobilized Russian troops who are being sent to the front without any training, right?


12 posted on 01/25/2023 7:40:34 PM PST by Salohcin
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To: Jim Robinson

Won’t be too long

A trip wire should be coming


13 posted on 01/25/2023 7:42:28 PM PST by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ......)
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It appears the US/NATO has committed about an Armored Brigade Combat Team

Neocons in the State Department and Brussels were desperate for a Ukrainian offensive victory before the new year. When it didn't happen, they made this big push for tanks. The tank episode was such bizarre drama. Two weeks ago, Lloyd Austin and Mark Milley publicly said sending M1s to Ukraine was a "bad idea." Now it's a good idea!

14 posted on 01/25/2023 7:42:38 PM PST by Right_Wing_Madman
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To: kiryandil

I wouldnt say that but I will tell you this.

The Russians will start using more of its vacuum munitions and I would NOT want to be in ANY tank when one of those go off near me.

At the least it will disable the tank and more likely it will kill everyone in the tank’s’ by the concussion alone.


15 posted on 01/25/2023 7:44:03 PM PST by crz
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To: Jim Robinson

They are already there Jim.

They just claim they are mercs fighting on their own accord.

This is NOT good.


16 posted on 01/25/2023 7:45:54 PM PST by crz
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At the least it will disable the tank and more likely it will kill everyone in the tank’s’ by the concussion alone.

No need for a shaped charge with one of those.

17 posted on 01/25/2023 7:48:35 PM PST by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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31 M1 tanks?

And that’s if they are all working.

They are supposed to charge the Russians with 31 tanks?

They need new advisors. This advice sounds like it’s from the same clowns who got us stuck in Afghanistan.


18 posted on 01/25/2023 7:50:36 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer” )
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To: Salohcin

The man without a rifle follows the man with a rifle. When the man with a rifle is killed, the man without a rifle picks up the rifle and continues forward.


19 posted on 01/25/2023 7:53:59 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyranny is obedience to God.)
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To: kiryandil

It will snuff the engine...and with the ventilation of the tank, it will kill everyone in that tank.

The tanks have ventilation which protects against Radiation and Chemical weapons, but does not protect against extreme concussions from the fuel air munitions.


20 posted on 01/25/2023 7:55:01 PM PST by crz
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