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Why Is Russia Expanding Short-Range Air Defenses Around Moscow?
Southfront ^ | 1/24/2023 | Drago Bosnic

Posted on 01/24/2023 7:12:18 PM PST by Nextrush

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To: USA-FRANCE; MarMema
USA-France Every time we evoke the Budapest Memorandum all the pro deep-state Russian Kremlinists are shaking in shame... and they don’t know what to say...

They say like Marmema "It is an outdated issue" - that any promise they made yesterday is an "outdated issue" and they will no longer live up to it.

61 posted on 01/26/2023 7:54:38 AM PST by Cronos
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To: USA-FRANCE

I said quite a lot, quoting various intelligent, scholarly, and successful people.

All of you and your cronies are on the wrong forum. Supporting Biden is not something we appreciate here, so you revert to some antique worthless piece of paper as your only defense.

Because you know that to admit supporting Biden would bring hell raining down on you.
I see through all if you. Bidenistas.


62 posted on 01/26/2023 7:56:12 AM PST by MarMema (Biden = Americans Last)
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To: Cronos

Just as we haven’t lived up to any of our promises.
This is not exclusive to Russia. How stupid can you be to make such a claim?

Oh the humanities.

A country did not keep a promise.

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂


63 posted on 01/26/2023 7:58:52 AM PST by MarMema (Biden = Americans Last)
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To: MarMema

Cronos: “What about Russia’s promises to respect Ukraine’s borders as signed by Russia in 1994?”

Marmema “that is unimportant blathering” “that is an outdated issue”

That is Russian thinking, isn’t it? So any promises Russia makes for peace are “unimportant blathering” or “outdated issues” the next day


64 posted on 01/26/2023 7:59:31 AM PST by Cronos
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To: MarMema

Breaking signed agreements to respect the borders of neighbors is exclusively Russian.

Don’t try your “whatabouttery” - you Russians broke your signed agreement to respect Ukraine’s border

Hence Russia is not trustworthy to have any peace negotiations with


65 posted on 01/26/2023 8:02:08 AM PST by Cronos
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To: MarMema

wow, you are changing the topic from the fact that Russia broke its signed agreement to respect Ukraine’s borders.


66 posted on 01/26/2023 8:03:08 AM PST by Cronos
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To: Cronos; USA-FRANCE

https://consortiumnews.com/2022/05/20/bush-admits-us-broke-promise-on-nato-expansion/

Bush Admits US Broke Promise on NATO Expansion; Says Ukraine Should ‘Destroy as Many Russian Troops’ as Possible

This world of humanity has truly little to offer as a reason for continuity.


67 posted on 01/26/2023 8:09:03 AM PST by MarMema (Biden = Americans Last)
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To: Cronos

Time to go spend time with loved ones. Life is short and getting shorter.

Not sure but you Poles may be included in Putin’s short list of who to nuke first.


68 posted on 01/26/2023 8:11:52 AM PST by MarMema (Biden = Americans Last)
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To: MarMema
the USA didn't sign any such promise - it didn't even make a promise on NATO not adding in countries from the former Soviet bloc (because that wasn't even a dream in 1989)

Gorbachev and the documents show ZERO promise not to enlarge

Russia behind the Headlines has published an interview with Gorbachev, who was Soviet president during the discussions and treaty negotiations concerning German reunification. The interviewer asked why Gorbachev did not “insist that the promises made to you [Gorbachev]—particularly U.S. Secretary of State James Baker’s promise that NATO would not expand into the East—be legally encoded?” Gorbachev replied: “The topic of ‘NATO expansion’ was not discussed at all, and it wasn’t brought up in those years. … Another issue we brought up was discussed: making sure that NATO’s military structures would not advance and that additional armed forces would not be deployed on the territory of the then-GDR after German reunification. Baker’s statement was made in that context… Everything that could have been and needed to be done to solidify that political obligation was done. And fulfilled.”

So stop your whatabouttery - you Russians broke your signed agreement in 1994 to respect Ukraine's borders.

69 posted on 01/26/2023 8:13:29 AM PST by Cronos
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To: MarMema; tlozo; Grzegorz 246; lodi90
Marmema Not sure but you Poles may be included in Putin’s short list of who to nuke first.

Ha ha - typical Russian tactics - when it is pointed out that Russia lies constantly as seen in its breaking of the 1994 Budapest memorandum, then you turn to blustering threats

70 posted on 01/26/2023 8:14:46 AM PST by Cronos
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You are supporting deep-state communists and soviet-inspired KGB fanatics in Russia.

You are supporting the invasion of a sovereign country - Ukraine.
As such, you have ZERO respect for BORDERS !

You want the West to lose against the Islamo-Soviet : the co-belligerent Russia-Belarus-Chechnya-IRAN-North Korea - coalition.

Don’t come to America, stay where you are in Russia.
Your anti-americanism, pro Russian-invasion rhetoric would probably get you arrested. We don’t need your KGB mentality here.


71 posted on 01/26/2023 8:20:17 AM PST by USA-FRANCE
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NATO “Expansion” ?? No, It’s NATO that is preventing Russias Expansion!
You got it all mixed up.

The ex-invaded Eastern European countries, Ukraine, had been under Russian occupation and or tyranny for decades... they lived through hell under forced Russian/Soviet communist rule.

When the Soviet/Russian communist system momentarily collapsed, those previously occupied nations suddenly regained their freedom. But at that point they had no army to protect themselves in case Russia decided to occupy them AGAIN...

That’s why all previously occupied European eastern countries by Russia ran to NATO for urgent protection.
Without NATO, those eastern countries would already have been taken back by Russia. Proof : Ukraine wasn’t part of NATO - thus it was invaded by Russia!

The problem with the Soviet-Union or Russia is that since WWII they have always had a policy to colonize and expand into any country close to their borders. It continues today.

NATO is just trying to hinder further post WWII traditional Russian expansion. It’s the whole point of NATO. It’s a defensive organization.

Additionally :

What is often forgotten is that it is the CSTO that is helping Russias expansion policies. CSTO = Collective Security Treaty Organization. That is Russia’s own NATO equivalent. CSTO operates as an offensive organization.

So yes, it’s not only Russia attacking Ukraine right now, but the ENTIRE CSTO organization that is helping making this possible.

CSTO
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_Security_Treaty_Organization


72 posted on 01/26/2023 8:39:04 AM PST by USA-FRANCE
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To: USA-FRANCE

Not me. All the scholars and others I quoted in my post.

If you don’t know that NATO expanded after the USSR was gone, there is no help for you.

Go away. I am tired of your imbecile posts.


73 posted on 01/26/2023 8:44:27 AM PST by MarMema (Biden = Americans Last)
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To: Jumper

Thanks for the info. I will check it out.


74 posted on 01/26/2023 8:51:07 AM PST by ohioman
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You say NATO has expanded. So in that case tell me what country NATO has illegally invaded in Europe?? Which one? There is NONE.

Russia on the other hand IS EXPANDING by INVADING Ukrainian territory by FORCE ! It has also invaded -by force- parts of Georgia !
And also invaded -by force- areas in Moldavia !

No wonder all free nations in Europe run to NATO for protection. They are afraid of Russias violent expansionism!


75 posted on 01/26/2023 9:17:41 AM PST by USA-FRANCE
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To: Cronos

“Not sure” is hardly a blustering threat.

Hyperbole is your best friend.


76 posted on 01/26/2023 1:47:53 PM PST by MarMema (Biden = Americans Last)
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To: USA-FRANCE

https://t.me/heilukraine1959/1150


77 posted on 01/26/2023 1:50:55 PM PST by MarMema (Biden = Americans Last)
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It’s a standard Russian ploy.

Russia broke its signed agreement, the 1994 Budapest agreement. It can’t be trusted


78 posted on 01/26/2023 5:27:36 PM PST by Cronos
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