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To: Cronos; USA-FRANCE

https://consortiumnews.com/2022/05/20/bush-admits-us-broke-promise-on-nato-expansion/

Bush Admits US Broke Promise on NATO Expansion; Says Ukraine Should ‘Destroy as Many Russian Troops’ as Possible

This world of humanity has truly little to offer as a reason for continuity.


67 posted on 01/26/2023 8:09:03 AM PST by MarMema (Biden = Americans Last)
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To: MarMema
the USA didn't sign any such promise - it didn't even make a promise on NATO not adding in countries from the former Soviet bloc (because that wasn't even a dream in 1989)

Gorbachev and the documents show ZERO promise not to enlarge

Russia behind the Headlines has published an interview with Gorbachev, who was Soviet president during the discussions and treaty negotiations concerning German reunification. The interviewer asked why Gorbachev did not “insist that the promises made to you [Gorbachev]—particularly U.S. Secretary of State James Baker’s promise that NATO would not expand into the East—be legally encoded?” Gorbachev replied: “The topic of ‘NATO expansion’ was not discussed at all, and it wasn’t brought up in those years. … Another issue we brought up was discussed: making sure that NATO’s military structures would not advance and that additional armed forces would not be deployed on the territory of the then-GDR after German reunification. Baker’s statement was made in that context… Everything that could have been and needed to be done to solidify that political obligation was done. And fulfilled.”

So stop your whatabouttery - you Russians broke your signed agreement in 1994 to respect Ukraine's borders.

69 posted on 01/26/2023 8:13:29 AM PST by Cronos
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NATO “Expansion” ?? No, It’s NATO that is preventing Russias Expansion!
You got it all mixed up.

The ex-invaded Eastern European countries, Ukraine, had been under Russian occupation and or tyranny for decades... they lived through hell under forced Russian/Soviet communist rule.

When the Soviet/Russian communist system momentarily collapsed, those previously occupied nations suddenly regained their freedom. But at that point they had no army to protect themselves in case Russia decided to occupy them AGAIN...

That’s why all previously occupied European eastern countries by Russia ran to NATO for urgent protection.
Without NATO, those eastern countries would already have been taken back by Russia. Proof : Ukraine wasn’t part of NATO - thus it was invaded by Russia!

The problem with the Soviet-Union or Russia is that since WWII they have always had a policy to colonize and expand into any country close to their borders. It continues today.

NATO is just trying to hinder further post WWII traditional Russian expansion. It’s the whole point of NATO. It’s a defensive organization.

Additionally :

What is often forgotten is that it is the CSTO that is helping Russias expansion policies. CSTO = Collective Security Treaty Organization. That is Russia’s own NATO equivalent. CSTO operates as an offensive organization.

So yes, it’s not only Russia attacking Ukraine right now, but the ENTIRE CSTO organization that is helping making this possible.

CSTO
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_Security_Treaty_Organization


72 posted on 01/26/2023 8:39:04 AM PST by USA-FRANCE
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