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U.S. Leans Toward Providing Abrams Tanks to Ukraine
WSJ ^ | 24-JAN-2023 | Michael R. Gordon

Posted on 01/24/2023 7:32:40 AM PST by SpeedyInTexas

Deliveries would be part of deal to enable provision of German-built Leopards

The Biden administration is leaning toward sending a significant number of Abrams M1 tanks to Ukraine and an announcement of the deliveries could come this week, U.S. officials said.

The announcement would be part of a broader diplomatic understanding with Germany in which Berlin would agree to send a smaller number of its own Leopard 2 tanks and would also approve the delivery of more of the German-made tanks by Poland and other nations. It would settle a trans-Atlantic disagreement over the tanks that had threatened to open fissures as the war drags into the end of its first year.

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To: SpeedyInTexas
https://asiatimes.com/2023/01/all-is-not-well-for-ukraine/

Washington could thus soon be faced with some dangerous choices. Should it commit US forces or US air power to Ukraine? If it did so, how quickly would the war spread in Europe?

Would NATO, always far more boisterous than can be justified by reality, support sending NATO forces to Ukraine? Or would NATO’s knees finally buckle?

The alternative – and more likely – scenario is that Washington will push for a peace settlement, something it has strictly opposed in the past. Will Russia be willing to sit down and discuss a deal? Of course, but only if the price is right.

61 posted on 01/24/2023 8:28:59 AM PST by Kazan
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To: SpeedyInTexas; All

“Germany to Give Poland Approval This Week to Send Tanks to Ukraine”

“German Chancellor Olaf Scholz is expected to give Poland approval as soon as Wednesday to re-export its German-made Leopard tanks to Ukraine, according to people familiar with the matter.

Berlin wants to make a decision on the issue quickly to quell growing frustration among allies, said the people, who asked not to be identified because the decision is private.

Poland formally requested the authorization earlier Tuesday and the German government said it would respond with the necessary urgency. German law requires approval for the re-export of its military equipment, meaning the hundreds of Leopard tanks in Europe can only be sent to Ukraine with Berlin’s consent. “

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-01-24/germany-to-give-poland-ok-this-week-to-send-tanks-to-ukraine?srnd=premium


62 posted on 01/24/2023 8:29:02 AM PST by SpeedyInTexas (RuZZia is the enemy of all mankind)
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To: SpeedyInTexas

And Biden’s boss Xi rejoices.


63 posted on 01/24/2023 8:33:58 AM PST by cld51860 (We’re doomed.)
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To: SpeedyInTexas

At this point a negotiated stop to the war seems best. This is a war of attrition, and the euros are being passive.


64 posted on 01/24/2023 8:34:01 AM PST by lurk (u)
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To: srmanuel
I think those tanks would be one-use items. Run till they break or run out of fuel.

What's the equivalent to Ebay for mil. eq?

65 posted on 01/24/2023 8:52:31 AM PST by TangoLimaSierra (⭐⭐To the Left, The Truth is Right Wing Violence⭐⭐)
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To: srmanuel

All arrives just in time to be set up for the Spring offensive into the Crimea.


66 posted on 01/24/2023 8:58:31 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: Little Pig

This is an idiotic idea from square one, and cannot possibly work. The only conceivable purpose for this is to put the Ukrainians in the position of having to ask for our help to operate these tanks, and thus drag us into their pointless war.


Yep even the Saudis could use them to good effect. So its pointless to give them to the UA, even if any of the factors you mention were actually true.


67 posted on 01/24/2023 9:00:54 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: SpeedyInTexas

Wrong - jet fuel is the best fuel but it can use any fuel. Parts delivered from US German and other stock piles in 3-4 hours.

UA is installing portable 100 ton bridges every where.


68 posted on 01/24/2023 9:04:04 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: jneesy

M1’s aren’t being produced anymore

Humm not being produced anymore ... then where are all the SepV3s coming from? Mars? There are thousands of M1s in storage, you know, right?


69 posted on 01/24/2023 9:06:18 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: Zhang Fei
"Actually, that is the opposite of the reality."

Look, I've spent many years intimately involved with the Abrahms.

And many more involved in weapon systems logistics and maintenance - the M1 (and variants) is still the best MBT on the planet, but it's not something you just hand over to someone and say "here, have at it".

And that we are getting dragged ever deeper into the Ukraine quagmire is sheer madness. It's way past time to cut ties with that corrupt regime/Biden money-laundering operation.

70 posted on 01/24/2023 9:10:39 AM PST by Psalm 73 ("You'll never hear surf music again" - J. Hendrix)
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To: Psalm 73
Unless American maintenance and logistics personnel are provided....

There are TOTALLY no Americans on the ground in the Ukraine.

Well, except for the ones running all the high-tech weaponry we gave them.

And there are no dead US Navy Seals, either. Well, except for the "deserters"...

    

71 posted on 01/24/2023 9:24:29 AM PST by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: silverleaf

This interesting. I have always looked upon Germany as the dominant power in Europe. Historically they have sought to rule and control. It’s in their DNA. I can foresee a German Europe somewhere on the horizon. Other than being defeated in a war, I can’t see them being subservient to anyone.


72 posted on 01/24/2023 9:35:12 AM PST by elpadre (nd )
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To: jneesy

I believe you are assuming that the plan would be to replace any inventory donated to the Uks. I wouldn’t rule it out but I wouldn’t count on it with the scoundrels in charge nowadays: on the one hand, defense contractors love the idea; on the other hand, Dems would be salivating over the chance to further weaken America.


73 posted on 01/24/2023 9:41:49 AM PST by JewishRighter
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To: SpeedyInTexas
Let's roll!


74 posted on 01/24/2023 9:51:35 AM PST by Bobalu (Elon should buy the Washington Post—and turn it into a newspaper.)
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To: packagingguy

“At first glance I saw Abrams and thought we were sending Stacey Abrams over there.”

We should threaten. Russia would surrender.


75 posted on 01/24/2023 10:15:02 AM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: Psalm 73
M1 Abrams are unlike any other main battle tank in the world - maintenance and logistics would be a bear for the Ukes.

Jet fuel, a turbine engine, and a highly complex set of systems and subsystems. What could possibly go wrong?

76 posted on 01/24/2023 10:25:26 AM PST by thegagline (Sic semper tyrannis! Goldwater 2024)
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To: thegagline

Turbine engines require less maintenance than a piston engine. One moving part....


77 posted on 01/24/2023 10:26:42 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: 9422WMR

I’m surprised they haven’t already.


78 posted on 01/24/2023 10:33:32 AM PST by shotgun
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To: central_va
Turbine engines require less maintenance than a piston engine.

Correct. However, it is a different beast to maintain and repair than a piston engine.

79 posted on 01/24/2023 10:35:29 AM PST by thegagline (Sic semper tyrannis! Goldwater 2024)
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To: Psalm 73

“Oh, they’ll just set up a big supply and maintenance depot just across the border in Poland and then everything will be cool.”

See?


80 posted on 01/24/2023 10:37:35 AM PST by OKSooner (Don't try to beat the cops at their own game.)
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