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All is not well for Ukraine
Asia Times ^

Posted on 01/24/2023 5:38:40 AM PST by FarCenter

The delivery of tanks, advanced air defense systems and potentially long-range ground-launched bombs may be a response to Ukraine’s dire requests, but it also brings with it a new load of problems.

These hastily and urgently provided supplies indicate that all is not well in Kiev and that it is closer than ever to losing the war with Russia. These are not one-to-one replacements for equipment lost: Most of the delivered supplies aim to shift the fortunes of the war in favor of Ukraine.

At least one of the projected weapons, a 100-mile ground-launched long-range bomb known as ATACMS, also would shift the war from Ukrainian to Russian territory.

There is little doubt that putting this sort of weapon in Ukrainian hands will result in a bigger war in Europe. Russia will try to attack the transit centers for these supplies, most likely Poland, although retaliation could also conceivably include attacks on railroads and roadways in Germany.

The US decision to ship upgraded nuclear bombs to Europe also will convince the Russians that tactical nuclear war may be NATO’s response if Ukraine collapses. Compared with the US and NATO, Russia has a massive arsenal of tactical and strategic nuclear weapons.

Ukraine’s forces are falling back in the Donbas region and, if the retreat continues, will soon lose the strategic town of Bakhmut. The Russian wave, in the Pentagon’s view, is a sure thing and the US has asked Ukraine to abandon the area.

Ukrainian soldiers digging trenches in Bakhmut. Image: Screengrab / CNN However, Ukraine’s military and political leaders can’t pull back because doing so would open the center of the country to the Russian army. That, in turn, could light off a long-suppressed clamor for political change in Ukraine with unknown and unknowable consequences.

President Volodymyr Zelensky knows full well he has arrested most of his political opponents and silenced the media he dislikes, including some instances where his opponents have allegedly been liquidated by Ukraine’s secret police, the SBU.

But that won’t protect him or his colleagues if people in Kiev start to understand that Ukrainian defenses are folding.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 12thmonthnow; andsoitbegins; b61; escalation; reality; ww3; wwiii
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1 posted on 01/24/2023 5:38:40 AM PST by FarCenter
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To: FarCenter
These hastily and urgently provided supplies indicate that all is not well in Kiev

Many here warned that propaganda and US tax dollars alone wouldn't keep the Ukraine propped up, and now that it's government is collapsing, the rats are abandoning ship. We are now entering the most dangerous phase of the war, as the Biden regime is also collapsing. Buckle up.

2 posted on 01/24/2023 5:43:51 AM PST by JonPreston
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To: FarCenter

B61-12: new US nuclear warheads coming to Europe in December

https://www.icanw.org/b61-12_new_us_nuclear_warheads_coming_to_europe_in_december


3 posted on 01/24/2023 5:48:36 AM PST by FarCenter
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To: FarCenter
> B61-12: new US nuclear warheads coming to Europe in December

Leftist surrender monkeys have that Bauhaus vibe in all of their propoganda.

4 posted on 01/24/2023 5:56:23 AM PST by SecondAmendment (This just proves my latest theory ... LEFTISTS RUIN EVERYTHING !!!)
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To: All

iirc someone here categorically stated that tanks were for only offense, not defense...


5 posted on 01/24/2023 5:56:38 AM PST by SteveH
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To: FarCenter

All these weapons will end up in the Ruskies hands.


6 posted on 01/24/2023 6:07:50 AM PST by HighSierra5 (The only way you know a commie is lying is when they open their pieholes.)
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To: FarCenter

ICANW’s claim is not sourced and is merely part of that site’s anti-nuclear position. Movement of US nuclear weapons is never announced.


7 posted on 01/24/2023 6:10:19 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: FarCenter

“losing the war with Russia”

it is inevitable-
Russia will not allow Ukraine to become part of a US Dominated western force on it’s border.
It’ll nuke it first.

Those Baltic Spots and Finland don’t matter as they are bit players.

A NATO’d Ukraine would be a Western SuperHighway right into the heart of Mother Russia.

near 150 Billion and ongoing for the Never Ending War Machine.

And we have HOMELESS, physically and mentally battered US Veterans right here in America.
Wide Open Southern Border-
China buying up US Assets- They now even make “Nathan’s” hot dogs, Happy 4th of July-
Fentanyl flooding our citizens-
Flint still has bad water-
and thwy want to cut SS and Medicare-
on and on . . .

Hope ya got your your Raytheon and Northrop Grumman on the dip last year?


8 posted on 01/24/2023 6:20:03 AM PST by Macoozie (Handcuffs and Orange Jumpsuits)
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To: FarCenter

This doesn’t make sense.
You can track losses via the ORYX website. Ukraine losses have been about 25% in equipment compared to Russian losses. Ukraine keeps getting more and more equipment, and Russia is outfitting their soldiers with pre-world war I rifles.
Further, the battle has become essentially trench warfare. I don’t see an advantage to either side, and what ground the Russians have taken recently has come at an enormous cost in lives. Estimated 180-200k Russian Soldiers already dead, probable injured in the 300-500k range. Thats why they keep redoing the draft.

Looks to me that Ukraine is building for a massive push in the summer. Russia is using what they have now.


9 posted on 01/24/2023 6:22:13 AM PST by Pete Dovgan
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To: Pete Dovgan

ORYX is propaganda and FOS.


10 posted on 01/24/2023 6:25:38 AM PST by DarthVader (Not by speeches & majority decisions will the great issues of the day be decided but by Blood & Iron)
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To: FarCenter

“These hastily and urgently provided supplies indicate that all is not well in Kiev and that it is closer than ever to losing the war with Russia. “

Think I heard this about a year ago.


11 posted on 01/24/2023 6:29:20 AM PST by FreshPrince
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To: JonPreston

What? Putting blue and yellow flags on our FB pages hasn’t stopped Putin?

Who is pushing all this?


12 posted on 01/24/2023 6:31:40 AM PST by SomeCallMeTim ( The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them!it)
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To: FarCenter

Asia Times Chi-Com propaganda again

is that all you post?


13 posted on 01/24/2023 6:31:58 AM PST by canuck_conservative
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To: FarCenter

Inevitable that a tactical nuke “tryout” will happen.

Boom goes London and boom Paree
More room for you
More room for me

Randy Newman was right


14 posted on 01/24/2023 6:37:25 AM PST by Palio di Siena
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To: FarCenter

I guess a 72 hrs ceasefire in place is out of the question.

Oh well...

5.56mm


15 posted on 01/24/2023 6:38:55 AM PST by M Kehoe (Quid Pro Joe and the Ho have got to go.)
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To: JonPreston

Know what day today is, Comrade?

today is the day Tsar Putin’s failed invasion enters its TWELTH month ... hard to believe, for such a “simple, 1-month campaign”

LOL

coming up soon, YEAR TWO ... to be followed by Year Three ... etc.

#quagmire


16 posted on 01/24/2023 6:51:55 AM PST by canuck_conservative
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To: canuck_conservative

Cheer harder Canadian-cuck, the Ukraine is collapsing as I type.


17 posted on 01/24/2023 6:55:06 AM PST by JonPreston
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To: DarthVader

“ORYX is propaganda and FOS.”

They verify every serial number on every vehicle/object destroyed with images. How is that ‘FOS’ and what is a better source in the Free world? Do the Russians have a better source, more reliable release of information?

Do you have reliable evidence that ORYX is ‘faking’ it’s data?


18 posted on 01/24/2023 6:55:13 AM PST by Pete Dovgan
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To: JonPreston

sure it is

LOL


19 posted on 01/24/2023 6:58:58 AM PST by canuck_conservative
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To: canuck_conservative

—> sure it is

Meanwhile, Canada has fallen without a shot fired.

You never mention this tragedy.

I can only speculate you’re fine with your Marxist country.


20 posted on 01/24/2023 7:17:27 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Fraud vitiates everything. )
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